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boundary="XRktgrLfdhs5ka9uizLydoGSxjg6MjqlN"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael Everitt To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, gentoo-nfp Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation References: <20190615124220.fcf0c08b22481d5bc6c2dbe0@gentoo.org> <1f0e294c-35f8-1700-ea2e-47c853ec53f2@gentoo.org> <511eea50-fb16-53ad-b434-728eb66e98db@iee.org> <3619661.8k9fyLHnIu@porto> <20190630215422.GA22747@bubba.lan> <20190630215539.GA22958@bubba.lan> <47RPTG3Y.CFLD2E4R.OEOQQKVQ@W76SVU36.L4XT3L3J.QGBZ5HKU> In-Reply-To: --XRktgrLfdhs5ka9uizLydoGSxjg6MjqlN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 01/07/19 10:52, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 10:31 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: >> On 2019.07.01 08:50, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: >>> On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 17:55 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: >>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: >>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 01:49:58AM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel >>> wrote: >>>>>>> Isn't it about time we quit pinning the mistakes of the past >>> on the >>>>>>> officers of the present?=20 >>>>>> Well, yes. Though, we tried something in the past, it didnt >>> work, we should do=20 >>>>>> it different in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>>> From what I understand, the present and recent >>>>>>> officers have made extraordinary efforts to rectify the >>> shortcomings of >>>>>>> previous trustees >>>>>> And that's great.=20 >>>>>> >>>>>> But are you sure that we should require continuous >>> "extraordinary efforts"=20 >>>>>> from trustees in the future, just to keep things running? >>>>>> >>>>>> FWIW, I endorse antarus / Alec for trustee. :) >>>> No, once fixed, the books will likely be continued to be done by a >>> full time CPA. >>> >>> Wouldn't a dedicated 'full time CPA' be more expensive than an >>> umbrella >>> that has a financial team for multiple projects? >>> >>> --=20 >>> Best regards, >>> Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >>> >>> >> Ah, the nuances of the English language used between two non=20 >> native spears.=20 >> >> A 'full time CPA' means that the person does that sort of work full >> time. It does not mean that he or she works full time for any one >> client.=20 >> > Yes, I understand that. However, I still believe that a contract > initiated between CPA and a single small-ish entity such a Gentoo > involves more costs than fees taken by umbrella dedicated to multiple > entities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > While I can agree that we need to pay more at the moment due to past > issues, I also believe that we owe it to our donors that we try not to > spend most of their money on unnecessary bureaucracy (read: keeping > a dedicated Foundation if there's an alternative that works for Gentoo)= =2E > Has anyone got any ball-park figures for the costs of being part of an umbrella organisation? And how would this compare to the forecasted costs ongoing for Gentoo Foundation Inc. or a future non-profit? What would the tax implications of an umbrella org look like, vs Gentoo keeping these in-house? --XRktgrLfdhs5ka9uizLydoGSxjg6MjqlN-- --GqTGpzyY5QP14eveaBzeFnbAy7jMyYCCC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJdGdooAAoJEGPnxnn01DHddlEP/Rmh4VP0ySNrMHag9sJLqt7j 3BRCy/VTmJy2rrfN9qbN5yDpFFQacI5geXUnz/bnSE9eddH/AuznpQ2/gazKuRV3 6uCtXYGvUs7c6w0rxuV7w5eTkIDzdpVN9kn2jotQHHBClfV+8Y3NHmm5Ho5sxR7h GEbz7ZvG8Xirz46Ztnva6NkqNIocLbV8hR8IU6tiG6o1ix8L7Rf4YAoVOZJMH7B1 awP5oD6u4SU+FvKfkNGkKU75QFL7iFJxPJPp6cBpF61g5w4IXHDY0L4a9IcfPt/M 8P/BXzA2f6j5JKHWmLba4mywF+u8yneoYet0RjlualU8g7jHLASbBVauJQzhUnCJ sU5fhKL+5kcfr43mteG2XFLoK5yZ27dvAFjeT0HjRuWxad8TVZmpR31kB/rFIjby y1NL9izkyCGj6jQEeC4VRh7m3osO5YUtQsO6Qd30qrjsoaZhWvkqjK5LvFJKvqNG IXqQ6J27cOoRBMYmTWhBoqTbFXeNWLxamEoaWN9TOgOGNS3tkqwBTMP+OfOkH/u6 rwJ9O4G2De0KfL1ivwVPmVeYbeg8Zm+p9igrzEDm1amZvRUmWeEA6AupifJFH1oi iYW0EXtaAqvpej5gIpxXgFdEQbUW0ez+kLbKbTLKVxRg5MfBAwxhOi+lGN+hhIIm GuCVa+tElN4ejb6X1/Lo =ECKC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GqTGpzyY5QP14eveaBzeFnbAy7jMyYCCC--