From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B38AF138334 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE57E0A6E; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 14:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43438E09E1 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 14:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.43.120] (77.18.57.123.tmi.telenormobil.no [77.18.57.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: k_f) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B8A3335D76; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 14:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Appeals of Moderation Decisions To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, "Andreas K. Huettel" Cc: desultory References: <2beb3305-396f-8b10-e2a1-4008d8505fa9@gentoo.org> <2878606.mSfXTjG61N@porto> <2983640.de6YSfGzij@porto> From: Kristian Fiskerstrand Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=k_f@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBEdj//4BEAC3zjKRryW1mLec38x0w9ByG50h6KJddkZe3UNdGhAa3S5E4NAi/fUoe3gD LUDDmpHZNqtbMgrobwUNjLrp+PDZNdMJFAnbWXvmsMwuax0SWJzy4alem34tvir3a2PpnVr9 ylyAyxPChMM0ANelT/fiYIEysjAbHXjri89qdT+yA16CMljoun7vIOmq7ohKdNd1Dci6qoyj 0NllvR2AiBI+ZJnoF4hkRKO1PNUJROzn/ku88idaNkWyq7rREI+WkhS+K6xg1R/d6mTp+bHP tmwGlN4U1Lgx9qeitYzirkQeA8EGK/EEPPZG85WvXSrTftoPvQswOtW7I+jkTdd30GHXf6JH Rq4oR0mT65mqckycPjXNw6RM0fxyx06/kbVG8x3tzc3roJF+hR+h5QWIWsQOc3ZAhbJPWnfP D/kEN20yvb6EXWha+70QJbrBsnN0M8MLF7x+ZWTKESOVpshUBG67iq/FWCpv3st2VTq4M0Ep b/ORIKlfEgSsGv6waooF0ik41ey3k6PIcuHTq/sCoFoC6EH75wqsbmLkVSyqTKm3MSjlN26d ei425iCXJSyH0L1WmeS0i0rzcF5BCu9V280DmNFHWkr4iHiyrVcNyccocMTeh6/ZG7XSI0wc TONVNnKtofVHkzwHMdDlDx4lFRG+V0ftimR5THlxtG8AzQKY9QARAQABtCZLcmlzdGlhbiBG aXNrZXJzdHJhbmQgPGtfZkBnZW50b28ub3JnPokCPQQTAQgAJwIbAwULCQgHAwUVCgkICwUW AgMBAAIeAQIXgAUCXBkr/wUJFqcqNAAKCRALf4tg4+364+jcD/93QVM8oueXqsMoMpBGN6Mm M2PbcVS3ZiBFjGPeqm7g29tzR2+OhzGmI17IbwUjwBiCVthym4ekF9vbGh8brSm168r/i+Q8 vQmVyzbJS1PO/M4sVzXnge3oo2Q57nhQewS1RGQIadtC3nTCzyAN7CHZg2/tnkci9U5Uljrx FrMgOTjQT/ylEC0efKR013ccFcxi1h5rHr4mnNrW2fNjJ30kyHvu896TZiHZYi3d3W/RTdyD URCX+6eRAyI64RpWiSdaSdFL9M8W4LXv8UD9BEnrd3aYqIx8lRtirG9MZtURaQK6RcE/+/OU JnGOXu08z9jYRNQ4LWnelrL1gNH6yQnCpWlP1f60iyrQ5vWj7fClEcOtlqYuMUvLRmZtbp7V sN2SY09dh4SgrlFXS8dVdESTJlpoHOe5GsmESIYSLKoxNg8JnjmGDCcZAeC4DGQOz9OyKQSk W4L4yeDt/PUTf4jJ6mIgrVfLIyZIF9uQka4/Xh/ECOJsKKyqaEZQ6rRuXtpL2SZsNxpYYTfr JXE7AOH6pehDhOJ0dxchfEhiQKKHC6dDXLVj7eauiRn0brPCbqgLufa5lU5CSy0v/I2YHcXr xtp0HRfcoOKH6SC/6NaeE+QDikLv3V0706KdRWH+sn1ZM4eml0P7B+dgAj6LFbDjJrwRncIB 087bE6YTHNL7rrkBDQRcGSkhAQgAu/B9sChWogJod8L3i0Pf+4YwUG/elFZtHtXPk06TdbMp +KxhY0cIit5J422HME7P4fxPnu1zaGm40nUjc/bzKdUNbVjtHFDJJAQeI+W8VGDxpHOrDoY0 WYnKhABNWCcuj6eH/MyxkjVblZvTxuEuKJQQ5yL44hsBQmA6aNHwkJnB+pd7NvUBRpfEnBoF Cp2Wma3VZgdrDJ0s/eoHTc8uPkKWaixkQYTtwSJ/2Z2qncSe61V6u+HAHxdyaNceSTf1W58W DNcNdKlMUEcFK5E2ya+oikZUVHUbyHR+GgZ/UmZQO9xVLmghjCaKq7L65yAUuMpsB7npdUMF mHpY+9Jl8QARAQABiQNEBBgBCAAPBQJcGSkhAhsCBQkB8gEAASkJEAt/i2Dj7frjwF0gBBkB CAAGBQJcGSkhAAoJENuBfg4Xj5s/JTMH/iFMxlDX5MR+Td75hX8H55nx7SDNcJczfxxFqFyv qUUTYGzkSbRVRudSh8iD7Btb0Q9/VfmBax9L5JobbB5nAWAJ6gKPIAYKiQ3khBLJgtFUjC27 EfyGafqBPgq7F1pC6uyyRDFc0Axg0ZwR/1m1MD4wZ1RjWth1K7P4xPipKdumn4fSpZYn8a+s G/OmjG9/7pnyVi2yW6Q5ameKstDdFzy1BuZTiS0RoUvQZqOgGkJQ8Ckzn7FUty9GEQ5+9/im 80OUKN7wQ1xoijVvM/WhrpDINmMQhbXE/ut5mG0+qZd0DwQXG0uSCzfiRgQQ1srtW2a67Hvc dYajfda/N5697YCDZRAAon9l+aZP6Z80A98lC+U33LvuGVJoWOzMW/SgQo9XXtW3LhpSbctU 58hI0hJkBdYTp9vT+ZsAb4DGYdIu50tY3w1a1tMuNb414h5X5ssGKc36XQiMoS4cnok5xT0u Uhh85hz7KmOVUH0mrQUeCsdl6DMU0DUjaTKP5sgl8E34A/ioqWWdH7rLLsR9KxOVEQgL3wC8 5yCIjnmGAPT+ZeD3VAziV3W8PHcWEihFnDUx5sqX411AGpzoWfFbBa6kNnl9aZCTs1KUUIYb PsBMu612JkUM3S1wI+cZT284JV3NwgqrG6mQAcDlm5SnNHYvmWdUAbd1cVbSpplU9FyU7VCw YhOKxSfGFY/7QJi9FcrooQpuXzV3bDPTFLFFYQ0uwFfAZgDOERG3ccjycYsByNeEFR8A/Fzl GPNHPoacS05cpMo0hyn5XmyynduDVQja4kXVKnj7Qok99wU943nhRnKI8g3vbqi8m3QFhoMu YBDKc2j0MC28V5ASyZZWOWsQfb+o3B2pxQvtgsrv2hy3b94F0qoIp4X0V16nLGfrPbfGoHHB fN2ndkSH/+THgMvF2DLtrOqFqF5SZJlo2Qjx2LLjyBG7qbbwxyCzgIto5U9hF/2OGaq0swna hMCNI8Mm07eUTcAbfdVup44DjzqFugVUAYTYeDje43Q5y+KF8cWERX+5AQ0EXBkqNAEIALeW +e+/K1ZrbVS8zsA8loDW8WUqibZzBjEcmSvZyzvy9ZURrSXowPFG4thrE/fmg0IKm3NCfYHn la9bFI8tTuOFL3rZCSaGxfcxq9ocHUkXf3TviZ08qZG7Ql+Tgspn9LUlgUKNO5IZNZpX3YJC EVijYRFW1uXr7bZPfPHgYijV7uPrTmfwsopBDkfmGa25ACGqBsFi1i+1F7o3T0hJrHavdpG+ pF/CCUxFAETbJp4GWj8oSqbk6C4++8D0qLrKxGtUrDT1y5CC+NinXImDI3yjTQUXRSlTVO6z 18M5yowcRT/vxRnlCYcW8cWCdO//XQ9zXyGL5bL9isvJVC+PQ6cAEQEAAYkCJQQYAQgADwUC XBkqNAIbDAUJAfH/5gAKCRALf4tg4+364ydGEAC0EMGpe8MYqbfDGgqti8jg724kwwXjTk1A 01Q9EaTVSlVgaK4sL3IZ0+xfXzeyRHFWf9TTWm4657ni7bAudZGoLxUxKK7QABS3CCW5fxub KSxXQ+yDQpyim8NgrHoVeOht9drPKHQF/Q2YfZ6XqRCf0WaR8Lq3DLJpVpRS6W8JG4egTXdY oG842fO0uMwfbfKn22+bxr6KGolKX+4lgKU90+FLcgqDuXS8cAlMOFuhrgwL7lxlStYO/w6/ CGyFxrAnlZ/sXKbC34SZiVuOtJw7P87MNyQHw8XTBf/SlRTvm5JLdVIAGYxjJK6Fr7Fx5IHU vCP/PF2skyxE7L6TjEP8ZHrwdjhlrrxJXUDgRtsNGpDDp4Zn771m90qxOhHJ/c79fGf1S4go yxwM+4UqeBwDA3adC65XF2ASo0Z97/rgLJOU+C1sOp4xNUUCquUl8eivcco3EPTIP1UDPn2h zdoXPOqT0bdR6XloYmwNJZPwgDJYadSGR5Z6X+CTFzEejgq40xNUbfYR0lARRRw5bUT90KM9 uqM7ILmqESP6W+hB8tFsZF1Uk1RYco2caRPFPiPC059IY5RlKaZ5OwjwCU55A+yb3UA1qPKM KbRdVUDFvaRxzNxpFdYUkhl5Zu2P5aFjWEZeL8E+/1rZCuKkXj3ED22luoa4XmWEwtfpTw5S kQ== Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 15:26:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2983640.de6YSfGzij@porto> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IlcBcwkMX0Q7YS8D1j7k1qUJqcZ7LKctA" X-Archives-Salt: fed4090e-eb4f-481e-90fe-9c8b04d36b2b X-Archives-Hash: 66cddaf45ba993bbba9bf421e9418aac This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --IlcBcwkMX0Q7YS8D1j7k1qUJqcZ7LKctA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LzEQuIxZVAKWbeKx4CGxNMgGljGHe1BAA"; protected-headers="v1" From: Kristian Fiskerstrand Reply-To: k_f@gentoo.org To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org, "Andreas K. Huettel" Cc: desultory Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Appeals of Moderation Decisions References: <2beb3305-396f-8b10-e2a1-4008d8505fa9@gentoo.org> <2878606.mSfXTjG61N@porto> <2983640.de6YSfGzij@porto> In-Reply-To: <2983640.de6YSfGzij@porto> --LzEQuIxZVAKWbeKx4CGxNMgGljGHe1BAA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/3/19 2:53 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > Am Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019, 14:41:19 CET schrieb Kristian Fiskerstrand= : >> On 2/3/19 12:44 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>> Am Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019, 05:22:09 CET schrieb desultory: >>>> ComRel, as I have previously mentioned, engages in some extremely >>>> questionable practices, though (again) to their credit at least the= y >>>> admit it. >>> >>> And parts of forums should rather go away sooner than later, given ho= w >>> even >>> moderators take part in highly questionable threads. That mess also >>> reflects on Gentoo as a whole. >> >> To be more concrete here if we want to put it on the agenda, we're >> talking about OTW only, or are there other categories etc that are >> non-gentoo-related on official communication channels? >=20 > My main point is that OTW needs to be nuked from orbit. That seems to be a good place to start in any case >=20 > That said, I'm not sure how much the forums / forum mods are still inte= grated=20 > with the developer community in general. Maybe we devs just need to bec= ome=20 > more active on the forums. Sometimes it feels like a parallel universe = (where=20 > Spock has a beard) though. I don't see how that'd work, the more natural conclusion if we determine this is a concern is shutting down the forum altogether, not arbitrarily altering the workflow. 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