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Everitt" <m.j.everitt@iee.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <ab1eee12-7e6a-3d1c-b6e8-01411fb6ad76@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Burden of proof References: <CAPDOV4_SSJwHv2YuBA=Ph1dpqWboGXtKT8D2NG25Pzbi9HSf6w@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV49Ybvpj6AX6TT5q7b_oRTtbDT5gBAdNFEumtOjw2mN=qA@mail.gmail.com> <1522677230.14250.62.camel@gentoo.org> <CAPDOV4__P+bFLr4DGmSaVTY_B+pGn3Wh5BdOHu+a2m06OfcC7g@mail.gmail.com> <1522693222.2542.20.camel@gentoo.org> <CAAD4mYj7ifpo0ojzTfdA2ZjGnOmFwPXqqTNm+-Lu6fdDQZ4aug@mail.gmail.com> <1522698735.2542.35.camel@gentoo.org> <CAPDOV4_k9_V6p5VHzEKT-9NmKrsbRfTMMaGBXeHT-9i2EcD2cA@mail.gmail.com> <96152e70-6672-e872-ce20-254ee4e364e0@gentoo.org> <CAPDOV4-d=a8L_1oXuDc1QrXQ8HvnprS8x_5ffftXDZRksbtMoA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAPDOV4-d=a8L_1oXuDc1QrXQ8HvnprS8x_5ffftXDZRksbtMoA@mail.gmail.com> --lGAPzFtxDAycF9L7qMcNgLhBkvQ5OLYaF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A946BA7E239B7B2A31BFB354" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A946BA7E239B7B2A31BFB354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 02/04/18 21:21, Daniel Robbins wrote: > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85= n > <chithanh@gentoo.org <mailto:chithanh@gentoo.org>> wrote: > > Daniel Robbins schrieb: > > I think this is a very good post. I am willing to abide by whatev= er standards > > of conduct that mgorny and ulm are subject to. Right no, that > standard is > > "nada". If that changes, I will happily tone down the rhetoric. > > No, I think that this is not enough. Even in the face of others > engaging in > misconduct or displaying blatant disregard for rules (and I am not > accusing > anyone here), we should stay civil and show our best behavior. > > > It is interesting that Gentoo comrel clamps down immediately on > violations of outsiders, but chronically ignores ongoing violations > from Council members. > > I wonder why that is? > > -Daniel=C2=A0 Possibly because developers vote for council, and either support/ratify/condone their behaviour .. I won't add anything about anyone being 'in their pockets' though .. Oops... --------------A946BA7E239B7B2A31BFB354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf= -8"> </head> <body text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> On 02/04/18 21:21, Daniel Robbins wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:CAPDOV4-d=3Da8L_1oXuDc1QrXQ8HvnprS8x_5ffftXDZRksbtMoA@mail.gm= ail.com"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"gmail_extra"> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n <span dir=3D"ltr">&= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:chithanh@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">chithanh@gentoo.org</a>></spa= n> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Daniel Robbins schrieb:<br> <span class=3D"">> I think this is a very good post. I a= m willing to abide by whatever standards<br> > of conduct that mgorny and ulm are subject to. Right no, that standard is<br> > "nada". If that changes, I will happily tone down the rhetoric.<br> <br> </span>No, I think that this is not enough. Even in the face of others engaging in<br> misconduct or displaying blatant disregard for rules (and I am not accusing<br> anyone here), we should stay civil and show our best behavior.<br> </blockquote> <div><br> </div> <div>It is interesting that Gentoo comrel clamps down immediately on violations of outsiders, but chronically ignores ongoing violations from Council members.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I wonder why that is?</div> <div><br> </div> <div>-Daniel=C2=A0</div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> Possibly because developers vote for council, and either support/ratify/condone their behaviour ..<br> <br> I won't add anything about anyone being 'in their pockets' though .. <br> <br> Oops...<br> </body> </html> --------------A946BA7E239B7B2A31BFB354-- --lGAPzFtxDAycF9L7qMcNgLhBkvQ5OLYaF-- --tVKqiMCicVuoqr3jxFvrarQvp7nE4qntT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJawpJVAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdORUP/1LR285Ucwv356adUpDhJbNa Sx8thpv5OuarNkTTjTDOeECe6WLEBUDSns4WGIjpYvOoIfr/0NCxzxzTKxSLiqYx DBIf2q2dCQcRivZCdDvRxx7sFyvx9Lk2rAOSWxkKH1sRFdFNJHFMZRdwaUCsxz2v yA+aKJ+aJ4kduHQZHXRMX/jBLno4++nH4wCxIiqxDH3r3UNuPIBrHHd4GjuwLI6e SfkF5P8kpYuhfuP851kJpjso7dDRC7fcsH7NqYEeAfePSo6UCgi25P9qcVJSZ9tx t2MUb2qJyvZMvQwtdKJvi6VdyiAXtcQV/6QoHhljxXfePAl3PqrG236/pRJ3Gs4w lMCgFAJT7jTx4uEkM95JXY9Codx19ID+6+qnuPEJ9NwJpZvJ0Hus40+qe2YTDyze /00/V780SU7mtdgj2kZsRlETQqfPFB62K/RTYW9qtar0RJv+BiVJzEf9l6ZRuNpb KX8drkAyhAIB6gHltlrAg2JuS9FqWMCCGrN14I/4k/NY9SrCotO0AQbtkORXxf59 UqfLea8m0coHNh1NqtuY6QVrpzsLhjzzlj/GnMHrXtfCyEB5ID+fLsrEmF3GeB6Q wwwICjb8U00jM8c1JdVDiXbAr+38eLnN+LSPV6X+0f9S90L+2L25+uM9CB7g70RL 8HfBL8VVS2r8yLcOcRhD =Wq7I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tVKqiMCicVuoqr3jxFvrarQvp7nE4qntT--