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Everitt" <m.j.everitt@iee.org> To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <a96cfd98-d7e7-ecfc-1517-84fd77851d37@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-05-13 References: <20180502201115.22894110@sf> <CAGDaZ_qLQSQ1hH2hUAdh7N92kYZNZ6enEDeWSGnMyGm=hL=d7g@mail.gmail.com> <8ea929a5-88ca-ed26-40eb-69026d0a97ad@gentoo.org> <CAGDaZ_rh=XAh_xPS=Ke3-AvWxGa4PKXvnXShVd8_LgDJiq0ddw@mail.gmail.com> <b2254e2c-f447-0df3-24b7-55fed165dad1@gentoo.org> <88d7b4ab-2f12-055d-13cb-94786833b3da@gentoo.org> <CAGDaZ_pyF46ZpBRT68R=sZ4o3Lf+8c55_zQ7vSLLw5tdNV=Nug@mail.gmail.com> <CAGfcS_noAyQXTD7pL=dhATUeZUEK0Rg56KpyZLiZB3oH6iQUsQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_noAyQXTD7pL=dhATUeZUEK0Rg56KpyZLiZB3oH6iQUsQ@mail.gmail.com> --86hzWjqiyk02EFXrIRi0eonaV75oYabuq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 03/05/18 13:43, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 7:43 AM Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com> wr= ote: > >> Does the council have the information it needs to monitor the health >> of the project as a whole? > > And what would be done with this information? > > I'm sure the games metrics would be dismal, as would be the metrics for= > many categories. I suspect you already believe this as well, as do mos= t of > the Council members. So, what is the point of this exercise? > > It isn't like you need some kind of special access to analyze our > bugs/commits. Everything is open. If somebody wants to post the metri= cs > they should feel free to do so. Do we need the Council to vote on a > resolution "encouraging members of the community to post metrics for > projects they are interested in, including games, or create tools to > automate this?" > > The problem isn't measuring activity within categories. The problem is= > doing anything about it. > > Also, I'd again like to point out that games !=3D packages maintained b= y > games@g.o, since it seems like we spent an inordinate amount of time tr= ying > to break this connection in previous years. You don't need permission = from > the games alias to maintain a game, just as you don't need permission f= rom > the python alias to maintain a package that uses python, or permission = from > the openrc alias to install an init.d script for a package. So, if > somebody is interested in metrics on games I wouldn't measure it based = on > packages/bugs assigned to games@g.o, unless you're interested very > specifically in things like the games eclass and so on. > +1 well put. --86hzWjqiyk02EFXrIRi0eonaV75oYabuq-- --GmUiGIoi53gz8sBQHRDYA7Lv4HYmkhlyu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJa6yVMAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdX2IQAJtPZ1e3BXcpS8m3fo+m/cCk ag1lJY1YXu0HSxGMY4E807mh8gvppWYobQKA/9zrwhllmE+lpb+07EoZIHqZ82Zt AAzQ0JnE2KhXoyZbDpoX3NfMtw6/2qoUW3zvOHVa5mI89Dt+IHUU2Rm0RHumTU1P 4hyzN/W0oVuir8yceVDO8hYdj8nuU78s+5Du0jJ+o3ICAjC3v7RuPi9DrqomW8ns zXMuMRmIH3pJJ1yvQYlwNUxLXoktJazWNuTJxUv+hgCNDcipSVjl26yH00DtHc7c IyKA2NKoVZakBJVO+5PYrKsV+r3jeWT+lY3SdonqjGy/eURdNpUC5qyK7nXxLXu9 pOlplGEBe5/a5UpFAY4XQl1NwtmwsbsfqLcCX1Kg6+01I8Krm6uPdlVeUPshBB5B lr9Zor/uqrB4WAZKIRisa96ZgfMzBKNGc/3NFL0U8Tgs3iPcKA/13uDK3O/tK7Id L5ViJGXVsN7GGQuQQ9EkIP11S7FueOheVKq9C53Y/zYeh28ca1LDERns9CCHagTx e4wwiMUWq7/kLPVerk9zz2pNo45RBBPeuywC3HYe24A5rwx9MBhMbXnaYyHQJ4Zr kPTirGOYnLPsbLMUMuPCFAbmKGVFXkGFOm9cafNbmtuwDve2Atpj7yJG+g2oWn1I xwe/1f14MOD7wfqiraKw =a8U5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GmUiGIoi53gz8sBQHRDYA7Lv4HYmkhlyu--