From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC4613877A for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E11FE0839; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFD67E0831 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.24.1.192] (unknown [65.216.151.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: creffett) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C64633FF24; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:14:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <539BD2E2.7030803@gentoo.org> <1757239.UAu395ci7F@kailua> <53B2E4CA.1080408@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----63BS8TP1CFRICK23907WQHODEDY2UZ" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election From: Chris Reffett Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 13:14:54 -0400 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org CC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_K=2E_H=FCttel?= Message-ID: X-Archives-Salt: 6887acba-f715-4353-ba5a-09ed9c6b6a0c X-Archives-Hash: e5db78a0e2d9a72aa11cc365aea398d5 ------63BS8TP1CFRICK23907WQHODEDY2UZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On July 1, 2014 1:02:34 PM EDT, Rich Freeman wrote: >On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, hasufell wrote: >> >> From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think that is a >> conflict of interest. >> > >The term "conflict of interest" gets thrown around rather loosely IMHO. > >A conflict of interest is when somebody stands to personally gain from >a decision. If somebody on the council or comrel banned you from an >IRC channel, and you brought this to comrel, then it would be a >conflict of interest if the accused party voted on their own case. >Anything short of this really isn't a true conflict IMHO. > >Many courts will hear appeals with a small number of judges with the >possibility to appeal to a larger set of judges, and the original >judges get to vote in both cases. That isn't a conflict of interest - >just division of labor. > >When you appeal a Comrel case to the Council the purpose of the appeal >is to decide what to do with the parties involved - it isn't a >judgement on Comrel itself, though Comrel should be guided by the >decision in any future actions it takes. > >Anybody dissatisfied with a Comrel decision can appeal to Council, >which is a group of 7 people selected by the developer community to >represent them. > >But, anyone is free to not vote for Comrel members. > >Rich Moreover, I think that anyone who is both comrel/council would recuse himself from a vote if it the vote's outcome directly affected him. That is, if I were to (for example) start a comrel complaint against dilfridge, and then appealed it to council, I'm certain that he would abstain from voting in the matter because that is explicitly a conflict of interest since one of the vote options clearly benefits him. If he voted on a case that he handled as a member of comrel, however, that isn't a conflict of interest because he doesn't stand to gain from the vote (unless comrel starts rewarding people for getting the most "convictions," in which case I think we have bigger problems to deal with...) Chris Reffett ------63BS8TP1CFRICK23907WQHODEDY2UZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On July 1, 2014 1:02:34 PM EDT, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM, hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:

 From what I see you are on both council and comrel. I think that is a
 conflict of interest.


The term "conflict of interest" gets thrown around rather loosely IMHO.

A conflict of interest is when somebody stands to personally gain from
a decision.  If somebody on the council or comrel banned you from an
IRC channel, and you brought this to comrel, then it would be a
conflict of interest if the accused party voted on their own case.
Anything short of this really isn't a true conflict IMHO.

Many courts will hear appeals with a small number of judges with the
possibility to appeal to a larger set of judges, and the original
judges get to vote in both cases.  That isn't a conflict of
interest -
just division of labor.

When you appeal a Comrel case to the Council the purpose of the appeal
is to decide what to do with the parties involved - it isn't a
judgement on Comrel itself, though Comrel should be guided by the
decision in any future actions it takes.

Anybody dissatisfied with a Comrel decision can appeal to Council,
which is a group of 7 people selected by the developer community to
represent them.

But, anyone is free to not vote for Comrel members.

Rich

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