From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC9FF1382C5 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE6A9E087B; Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33CDCE087A for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:14:30 -0500 From: Aaron Bauman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Message-ID: References: <20201130164650.j46wjcxzethfn6qp@hydra> <5284753.ZASKD2KPVS@farino> <20201201150653.GA23023@gsmrlinux2> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m/pDOSDyFbO43ZbY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201201150653.GA23023@gsmrlinux2> X-Archives-Salt: fd0022a6-fab9-432c-95be-734e0a227845 X-Archives-Hash: c81f92bf0ba1b580dbe8993ef055dcb5 --m/pDOSDyFbO43ZbY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 10:06:53AM -0500, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 05:15:30AM +0200, Andreas K. H=C3=BCttel wrote: > >> Please respond to this message with agenda items. Do not hesitate to > >> repeat your agenda item here with a pointer if you previously > >> suggested one (since the last meeting). > > > >I would like to propose the council consider shutting down the "Off the = Wall" > >(OTW) forum on forums.gentoo.org permanently and without replacement. > > > >Rationale: > > > >* provides zero value to the distribution > >* large parts of the content are toxic and not something I (and others) = wish > > Gentoo to be associated with > >* it caters to a set of users somewhat distinct from the rest of the for= ums > > (e.g., >5000 posts in OTW, <100 elsewhere) > >* forum moderators have made clear they are not going to fulfill their r= oles > > (e.g., regarding the code of conduct) in OTW, following a similar disc= ussion > > one year ago > > > >This leaves us with two options: > > > >1) shut down OTW > >or > >2) replace or supplement forum moderators with people willing to fulfill= the > > moderator role in OTW >=20 > I propose a third and fourth option here: Make it a privileged area, or s= plit > off to a Religion & Politics forum. > Hi, Aaron. We (Gentoo), via the council, have somewhat made this happen by restricting access to OTW for registered users only. There has been no discussion over the user acknowledgement portion though. Overall, I don't think this fits Gentoo. Please see my reply to Alec's message. The content/subjects in OTW are not supportive of Gentoo in any fashion. For me, this relates directly to the other projects, sponsors, and donators that make Gentoo a reality. I do not believe any of these individuals would support such content being paid for/hosted by donated hardware/bandwidth/etc. > Additionally, it makes the forum private so the topics therein won't come= up in > searches, but will still be publicly available. This should minimize non-= Gentoo > user participation. > This happened. See above. --=20 Cheers, Aaron --m/pDOSDyFbO43ZbY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEmv7M5qd5RX+UB+cwV6vTrTwY1fAFAl/GXdYACgkQV6vTrTwY 1fBn4Af/cToluleEZN2JlpBCJH36X79pXJeyBNf8RLJ8h4CbjaqytaNhZIist8oW OCWQJXGnM4PxxqG2IlhSPYcTU8XWh05K4AcKs8I3oBXWvxF5NqUZSBmndVT8oG29 bcjt/9Gyyrq8YFspzCUtS8BP+/sgW/EzEewnr/kIOEskafWHodr6P8V+jqW6j9Mq +IQ+cgC8I1xt35Izqu/z1xyp+Vf3MTLeuIV5xCwwy+kwisC4qZS4AkL3l7e9CahF 91ZqcB879kMG2EVK7dzmBgvjAGtiwk+GSD9Tz/KagWgfS0RmtlGjXzyYqCW9ymMa QTqVAdPCzkP8nDatfqxZ1U4VNZKHxw== =doCn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m/pDOSDyFbO43ZbY--