From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 136C7138334 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D331EE086B; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01c.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01c.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A317CE085E for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost01c.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hhuST-0003LB-1U for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2019 11:26:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:26:37 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Questions for Gentoo Council nominees: Gentoo Foundation To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: (from mgorny@gentoo.org on Mon Jul 1 10:52:28 2019) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.6 Message-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-aVY5/Fjriuuc39u+Lhdn" X-Originating-smarthost01c-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: b38a65ff-e7b9-4ab4-ba1d-afbb60f8b9aa X-Archives-Hash: 36be4783671ec240b0350091e32a8a7b --=-aVY5/Fjriuuc39u+Lhdn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019.07.01 10:52, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Mon, 2019-07-01 at 10:31 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > > On 2019.07.01 08:50, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > On Sun, 2019-06-30 at 17:55 -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 05:54:35PM -0400, Aaron Bauman wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 01:49:58AM +0200, Andreas K. Huettel > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Isn't it about time we quit pinning the mistakes of the > past > > > on the > > > > > > > officers of the present?=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Well, yes. Though, we tried something in the past, it didnt > > > work, we should do=20 > > > > > > it different in the future. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > From what I understand, the present and recent > > > > > > > officers have made extraordinary efforts to rectify the > > > shortcomings of > > > > > > > previous trustees > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > And that's great.=20 > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > But are you sure that we should require continuous > > > "extraordinary efforts"=20 > > > > > > from trustees in the future, just to keep things running? > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > FWIW, I endorse antarus / Alec for trustee. :) > > > >=20 > > > > No, once fixed, the books will likely be continued to be done by > a > > > full time CPA. > > >=20 > > > Wouldn't a dedicated 'full time CPA' be more expensive than an > > > umbrella > > > that has a financial team for multiple projects? > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Best regards, > > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > Ah, the nuances of the English language used between two non=20 > > native spears.=20 > >=20 > > A 'full time CPA' means that the person does that sort of work full > > time. It does not mean that he or she works full time for any one > > client.=20 > >=20 >=20 > Yes, I understand that. However, I still believe that a contract > initiated between CPA and a single small-ish entity such a Gentoo > involves more costs than fees taken by umbrella dedicated to multiple > entities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Nobody knows yet. Different umbrellas work differently. Different CPAs charge differently and perform different scopes of work. The Foundation will need to perform a value judgement based on=20 quotations not beliefs. Its not all for the Foundation to decide. We have to find an umbrella to=20 have us before dissolving the Foundation is even an option. >=20 > While I can agree that we need to pay more at the moment due to past > issues, I also believe that we owe it to our donors that we try not to > spend most of their money on unnecessary bureaucracy (read: keeping > a dedicated Foundation if there's an alternative that works for > Gentoo). Yes. That's what due diligence is partly about, ensuring the Foundation=20 gets value for money.=20 =20 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny >=20 >=20 --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods arm64= --=-aVY5/Fjriuuc39u+Lhdn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCAAdFiEEsOrcx0gZrrCMwJzo/xJODTqpeT4FAl0Z7e8ACgkQ/xJODTqp eT7K3Qf9Gkxh1wD3RNkdZes+IvuDV994EoSfUCqjpB7xDud1EKDaVjLLbnjrUdHq QVK1IyI7ODeFOKXeeznPFWr14Cpmx3Lw7bhM88eLfPblBe05UgQ2ZczpAMT4xLw5 BnzvExDUrj6xfcnvca15DaM6D6IQ/GTQXNx/QdBYYVFNibuXFg65Thhev0/OKN7G 2ZUYTjY3IsUfZFGDVRr45Y8hIS65Wcmm6M09M6JcHnMkZFvVGW5VX7nLVJt5Lz6j y+9AVKOAAHAYLNlLrSCsud1RaP5Zcrq8B9KSAsrmhNMQHJsTN0UwrF2mbKBmX5R9 c7mZ6LCD/uDBKvceBiE0MDGZQW5yeQ== =d8bv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aVY5/Fjriuuc39u+Lhdn--