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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 11:46:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <K76VASAH.KG626X5R.RPUI373V@N4R2J6AQ.2WF4ELOH.M7NSPQOY> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <upn3ov8t9@gentoo.org>

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On 2020.12.05 10:36, Ulrich Mueller wrote:

[snip]
> 
> I had really hoped that the moderators team would acknowledge that the
> current state of affairs with OTW is unacceptable, and come up with
> some
> plan of their own how to improve things.
> 
> 
> Ulrich
> 

I suspect that has not happened because of the way that this has been 
mismanaged by council members from the outset, which has demotivated
many of the forum mods team. 

There is a well used reporting and escalation and appeal process in place.
It was not used.
Every post contains a 'Report' button. There were no reports.
The forum mods have an email alias that could have been used to report 
posts and wider issues. That didn't happen either.

Instead the initial report was an email to council on a closed list, with a 
CC: to the the forums team. When I learned email etiquette, in the late 
60's CC: meant for information only, no action required.
Clearly, the poster did not want the forums mods team to do anything. 

The council is supposed to be the final appeals body, not the first 
port of of call for anyone upset by something.

If the council want to be seen to following the process that they were 
elected to enforce, the only course of action is to refer the matter to the 
forum mods team. 

Any vote that short circuits the process council is supposed to enforce 
only brings council further into disrepute.

Its not too late for the council to recognise the damage they have done
to themselves in the eyes of the wider community and stop the 
mismanagement in its tracks by enforcing process.

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
elections
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
arm64

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-08 11:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-30 16:46 [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Coucil meeting 2020-12-13 Georgy Yakovlev
2020-12-01  3:15 ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Andreas K. Hüttel
2020-12-01  6:07   ` Alec Warner
2020-12-01  6:30     ` Alec Warner
2020-12-01 15:10       ` Aaron Bauman
2020-12-01 14:58     ` Aaron Bauman
2020-12-01 16:16       ` Alec Warner
2020-12-01 17:31         ` Aaron Bauman
2020-12-04  5:12           ` [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall desultory
2020-12-01 22:07         ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Jimi Huotari
2020-12-08 15:17           ` Andreas Sturmlechner
2020-12-04  5:12       ` [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall desultory
2020-12-01 15:06   ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Aaron W. Swenson
2020-12-01 15:14     ` Aaron Bauman
2020-12-04  5:12   ` [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall desultory
2020-12-04 12:45     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-12-05  4:53       ` desultory
2020-12-05 10:36         ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-12-07  6:04           ` desultory
2020-12-08 11:46           ` Roy Bamford [this message]
2020-12-08 12:34             ` Andreas Sturmlechner
2020-12-08 13:02               ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-08 19:40                 ` Andreas Sturmlechner
2020-12-08 20:14                   ` [gentoo-project] " Sam James
2020-12-08 21:13                     ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-11 21:23   ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Thomas Deutschmann
2020-12-12  1:07     ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-12  2:38       ` Thomas Deutschmann
2020-12-12  5:48         ` Geoffrey Ekman
2020-12-12 12:00           ` Marek Szuba
2020-12-12 12:04           ` David Seifert
2020-12-12  7:34         ` desultory
2020-12-12 15:15           ` Thomas Deutschmann
2020-12-13  7:27             ` desultory
2020-12-12 12:05       ` [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall Ulrich Mueller
2020-12-12 12:07       ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Andreas K. Hüttel
2020-12-12 13:24         ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-12 14:47           ` Aaron Bauman
2020-12-13  7:27             ` desultory
2020-12-13  9:19             ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-13 12:10               ` Marek Szuba
2020-12-13 16:44                 ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-13  0:57       ` William Hubbs
2020-12-12  7:34     ` [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall desultory
2020-12-12 13:24   ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Michał Górny
2020-12-12 14:42     ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-12 15:15       ` [gentoo-project] Re: Shutting down the Off the Wall Ulrich Mueller
2020-12-12 16:00         ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-12 19:32           ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-12-12 21:08             ` Roy Bamford
2020-12-12 22:29               ` Andreas K. Hüttel
2020-12-13  7:28                 ` desultory
2020-12-12 15:34       ` Shutting down the Off the Wall (was: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items ...) Thomas Deutschmann
2020-12-13  7:28         ` desultory
2020-12-13  9:28           ` Andreas K. Hüttel
2020-12-13 14:36           ` Thomas Deutschmann
2020-12-13 18:43             ` David Seifert
2020-12-15 11:03               ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2020-12-15 11:16                 ` Michał Górny
2020-12-15 11:24                   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2020-12-15 11:20                 ` Sam James
2020-12-15 11:35                   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2020-12-15 18:04                   ` Jimi Huotari
2020-12-15 14:18                 ` Raymond Jennings
2020-12-15 14:28                   ` Aaron Bauman
2020-12-12 22:23       ` Michał Górny
2020-12-13  1:50         ` Alec Warner
2020-12-13  7:28           ` desultory
2020-12-13  7:36         ` desultory

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