From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8973138330 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C013E0B5C; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01d.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01d.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.7]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F84BE0B5A for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_Static) by smarthost01d.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1btiUp-0008hC-FP for gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:52:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 22:52:30 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years... To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Balsa 2.5.2 Message-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-DwuKE4nEcJn4/FKSDz6f" X-Originating-smarthost01d-IP: [62.3.120.142] Feedback-ID: 62.3.120.142 X-Archives-Salt: 35c5be72-58fd-4a7f-b211-5af162b55696 X-Archives-Hash: a1c69e5f19628acc6f9ee81f1976af87 --=-DwuKE4nEcJn4/FKSDz6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016.10.07 02:13, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Raymond Jennings > wrote: > > > > Speaking of a conflict of interest, I would like to point out for > the record > > that devrel and userrel were aliased as "proctors" in previous > > documentation. > > >=20 > Actually, the Proctors were a third project distinct from Devrel and > Userrel (though there was probably overlap in membership, etc). They > lasted all of a few days. They were created along with the CoC and > never really got to function as intended. They were intended to > operate a bit like forum mods for the lists, locking discussions that > were out of control, issuing short-term bans to try to discourage > flaming, and so on. I was around when they were formed and disbanded, > but I wasn't on the inside back then so I didn't appreciate the > politics that caused them to fail. A few others who were around back > then could better relay the story. >=20 > The proctors were never intended to deal with serious complaints about > individual behavior that might warrant kicking somebody out. There > has been talk of trying to bring back the role, with the goal of > trying to nip bad behavior in the bud before it grows into a big mess. > If we went down that road then Proctors would have a lot less rigor in > their activities, and could hand out "punishments" with almost no due > process/etc, but the "punishments" would be things like a few days ban > from IRC or other minimal sanctions, with a strict upper limit on > their powers. Basically they'd be handing out slaps on the wrist. > Issues that couldn't be handled in this way could be escalated to > Comrel. The idea would be that when a problem starts they could > quickly step in and moderate/warn/ban/etc to try to keep the overall > tone of the channel/list/etc in line with the CoC, as opposed to what > happens today where two parties can snipe at each other for months > until both are screaming for blood. >=20 > --=20 > Rich >=20 >=20 >=20 Rich, The term Proctor(s) is ambiguous in the history of the Gentoo and the CoC. In early versions of the CoC it clearly refers to userrel and devrel, and anyone else charged with CoC enforcement. The term was used concurrently as a name for the Proctors project=20 The CoC history can be found on sources.gentoo.org. As you say, in GuideXML. The votes to approve the original CoC and changes are=20 mostly recorded in council meeting logs. Mostly, because its=20 difficult to compare the last CVS version and first wiki version. We need to be very careful of not having "random edits" to the=20 CoC as its a document controlled by the council.=20 As a member of the original Proctors until the end, I can confirm that=20 most of what you say about the Proctors project is correct. I don't=20 think its useful to this discussion to go into the reasons for the=20 Proctors being wound up. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods = --=-DwuKE4nEcJn4/FKSDz6f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAABCAAGBQJX/A2eAAoJEFZf0zWq3OcJfZ0QAL2SmA0uRKL+PZgt1OJGPiUO Qxc4UkwuBFZFQ+U5DrL6ZL1S7g6U5SW5671Oy/a0Q/NguAs1E6epNdgWxjDJwPwg rBQ2YG7oGGH+Qi10f1gngD9OdpnjiMf+eSlNBGFCi8B/Ix0zXRH8e29w0GTmflsp HEcgJcRY2WzbUmgexkhgzRRhKLl0oxbLdXEDAqePPxUThC8ehAesVTYLt+Gm96Wp ASlkeKmlVcvnQA+fZsLTQxjADukqnYBX8Ve8aNY+A6XdLEjdPE0mJrKy1ye6IN2w h39GEqdWxNeveaOhfkb3nQB4x3PMBkqp9cHUp+Vec4C9UZC0as1RsB5GmnzE3ZMx X+JVR8wjVr+l7VxD47d8QvJzLe3bIA9cNgVzQSyRNJPHxjlptM6KRpFBHnmpVrcN t4VKwoJOX204kVXKggaTkPe5yrK4WzmXthN6KE5zkQkt7nI3UzaRE6lro4piPNQ+ fB9MHu8ILn4kGwjHWv3aMl495+cZHVsrq5WvyC7Rw5hXeOAdcWU8Chk0PKvJJUTL +DHx+gwANaSLeOrW2WJA9djaOsyZ6Ue4mXlXbN41W5bwCfoe2WH06nT3FN79fHmK yt7mrZS3Orokenbm5zxAR9E71rT0q4QklnzPvqNYwUmxNGArE/ZwbFuItmFOp0Ob 15wnqKtB9KHQweBXBeoH =U0vS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-DwuKE4nEcJn4/FKSDz6f--