What about simple transclusion? [1] Example of first few handbook-chapters at [2] It's not pretty (the top TOC works, but the inline-toc on the right-hand-side doesn't work) That could be prevented with some directives on the source pages but I didn't want to trample over Sven. Would that work? (And yes - a few other includes are broken because this is rooted in my user-space and not under the handbook, but I think these should work if a page of this type was included in the Handbook namespace.) Cheers, malc. [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion [2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Mlashley On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 10:02:36 -0500 Jeff Horelick wrote: > > > > In such cases I would recommend a Live USB (or CD/DVD) that has a > > > > graphical environment, so that the user can keep a modern web browser > > > > next to a terminal window, to ease installation. In that case the > wiki > > > > is perfectly usable. > > > > > > No, this is not a solution, because on particular hardware live > > > media (live usb/cd/dvd/whatever) may fail with video or gui support. > > > > > > I had such problem this year, when I had to install Gentoo from > > > LiveCD without ability to use any other host for support (reading > > > howtos, googling and so on). I used SystemRescueCD because of ample > > > set of debug, admin and analysis tools I needed to configure > > > system properly, but GUI was just a failure due to lack of nvidia > > > drivers out of the box. Of course, I can easily fix such issues > > > when fresh system is installed, but while it was being installed I > > > had to use what is available from the live media. And elinks was a > > > great help back there. > > > > > > So it will be really nice to keep handbook copies outside of wiki > > > interface. Probably a reasonable compromise will be to keep > > > handbooks at the wiki, but to use some script to generate simpler > > > htmls for out of the wiki usage scope. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Andrew Savchenko > > > > > > > > > I feel like we do not need to optimize for this case really. I feel that > > the odds of installing Gentoo where you have no GUI (via either the > LiveDVD > > or SystemRescueCD), no smartphone to use to look at the wiki, no tablet > to > > use to look at the wiki (I'm not sure about elsewhere, but here in the > US, > > you can get a brand-new Android tablet for $40 USD at a physical store > > (less online) and in the UK you can find them under 50GBP), no spare > > computers to use to look at the wiki are extremely unlikely. > > This case was really simple: use of any electronic devices aside > from PC in question was prohibited due to company's security > policies. In fact this is quite common case when we're talking > about business setups and not private workstations. > > Also I'd like to note that smartphone is not solution for people > without perfect eyesight (e.g. me): reading too much text from small > screen is either painful (with small fonts) or inconvenient (with > large ones). > > Please note I'm not saying "do not put handbooks in wiki" — this > is really a good idea to have all docs in one place; I'm talking > about some backup solution for such cases, like simple generated > htmls. > > Best regards, > Andrew Savchenko >