From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498AA1382C5 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 557A3E0AA4; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D52CE0AA0 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id g14so11807074iob.9 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:03:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YcHFhe5EPDI5SsOe/qw0V4Oj0tgwC1U9cdfYGoHkFAA=; b=cosDuLGx1TWoRhAugLp9O0LPaCSEBhJiJLJ1Q7rbS0n2HMkBjrnXAT/DY4b4nGsY/C GpJCXG/zEWDgtDpmn0GWyjc2EnLJR1SFO8gX9Cc1DZMe5hhpgxtKDbSdFQQ7ebl9Svgg wDN3rIQUVMXz1+Mfg8EJs25h4Mx/TbsUZfxgI1uXHSlOq1LQlBDHq+4R1r/jSRJyTy2m gW80fylMMXZwxsYWrllPAXi93Fxzndpy5mFzNji47mNcB4GTE8NtC1A/5YMcm9eTW2F5 CNad8zdPv/UF4PuxREtlL9Abf6fjXORVv3w640O87VOTqpNRPxgUDbZbHMUyoWRm8iPl E8Ag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YcHFhe5EPDI5SsOe/qw0V4Oj0tgwC1U9cdfYGoHkFAA=; b=QuTmBtWngAl908mFWIqhBdJRgcsrBF1/SN/jZuHzWSzyPlS58GJr4l/uGGQGgOzM1a V4IestAL4h+d8D6YgV3CEFmHvY2YQO66F4WITbGV92WwuqbSIAHW9dh+Jxk9hcakOOFp yFRp2YoQ2jXnb77piWkRuICWcsmxOVHFd4zBWIyuxK8OvYGIPCsw8p8ThVPI/3jHTCWT 2pTXLoBXxC4zwGQL8W1T6UIxVp5/lBKNE9msWOA+yO3+x2PgewRJZxeONY2C5rkDAks/ YNJfDW/WCNNsoBbOixIbXfxwfk9Jqa/GCEfu/ZuMu9BDCCt6eWS90qzkCsgn0EeAryro 03MA== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCknEUOtR4S+OiVZUqpkZ5SP7CNJ2Y0tIwtGPvt9wEtoAF6jcY2 janz5ii9hFuPAPtsKQvqq9m+27KTnwKG/mSwO763cJ0f X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x226NcgMB+s0TFgVxBFX5eC6CY4t6Di1ao+rBHmNHlS3oiKsDCaOIuzUhz+zeI5zOqXZWX+80paKoa7YuKkd0Qkg= X-Received: by 10.107.38.21 with SMTP id m21mr14069077iom.69.1518455003526; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:03:23 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.202.75 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 09:03:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180212165506.GA23201@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> References: <20180211224234.GB6747@linux1.home> <20180212165506.GA23201@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> From: Daniel Robbins Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: council members and appeals To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1140c31a17edb5056506dbf2" X-Archives-Salt: 533112e4-a62c-47ae-985f-8b8376da8021 X-Archives-Hash: 239e1d3666d050837c6c771877f69121 --001a1140c31a17edb5056506dbf2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:55 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 08:53:24AM -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote: > > How about if they just abstain from any votes where there may be a > conflict > > of interest? I would hate to limit the ability of people to contribute > > technically just because they were elected to council. > > The confusing thing about this is, how would we define "conflict of > interest"? > > Suppose that the council decides to accept an appeal from comrel. Is it > a conflict of interest for a member of the council who is also a member > of comrel to vote in the appeal? If it isn't, it is at least a pretty > strong perception that it is. Often, "conflict of interest" is defined as "possible conflict of interest" -- meaning, if there is simply the potential for a conflict of interest, one would abstain from voting. There doesn't need to be a clear indication that there *is* a conflict of interest or that someone is abusing their position, just the *potential* for this to happen where someone *could* benefit from the decision being made (they are voting on a situation in which they happen to be personally involved, etc..) In these cases, those who find themselves in this position would abstain or would be asked to abstain, to prevent accusation that the vote was skewed. Potentially, it might be good if a member could also request a person to abstain if they felt there was a conflict of interest. The concept is that if the Foundation is able to eliminate potential conflicts of interest in votes, then the votes have much more authority (they are less subject to being questioned) and it helps to establish trust in the decision-making process. Best, Daniel --001a1140c31a17edb5056506dbf2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:55 AM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org><= /span> wrote:
Hi Daniel,

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 08:53:24AM -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> How about if they just abstain from any votes where there may be a con= flict
> of interest? I would hate to limit the ability of people to contribute=
> technically just because they were elected to council.

The confusing thing about this is, how would we define "conflic= t of
interest"?

Suppose that the council decides to accept an appeal from comrel. Is it
a conflict of interest for a member of the council who is also a member
of comrel to vote in the appeal? If it isn't, it is at least a pretty strong perception that it is.

Often, "= conflict of interest" is defined as "possible conflict of interes= t" -- meaning, if there is simply the potential for a conflict of inte= rest, one would abstain from voting. There doesn't need to be a clear i= ndication that there *is* a conflict of interest or that someone is abusing= their position, just the *potential* for this to happen where someone *cou= ld* benefit from the decision being made (they are voting on a situation in= which they happen to be personally involved, etc..) In these cases, those = who find themselves in this position would abstain or would be asked to abs= tain, to prevent accusation that the vote was skewed.

<= div>Potentially, it might be good if a member could also request a person t= o abstain if they felt there was a conflict of interest. The concept is tha= t if the Foundation is able to eliminate potential conflicts of interest in= votes, then the votes have much more authority (they are less subject to b= eing questioned) and it helps to establish trust in the decision-making pro= cess.

Best,

Daniel=C2=A0<= /div>

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