From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D13A1382C5 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59405E0950; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B8BE082F for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id y20-v6so435400itc.5 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:38:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=sOE2tbzQWDBxhRovuL8PMwL6/DZ+45So4AfeamZi2As=; b=0weH5mUAWOxcjiOP9pwwvXGucgkn9ReyPvSx3i7gL/lLEfJ5ciMac/fRvLvcg37Op8 Gw/3DP3QjiHhxIVKj3jjhQjpOYrVYva+yEBTVzxsHaGasYFr6FlN8oROOQO6hV91lNcC Oa1lrEUWeYB1l/ELZMw+AR3uTjLUv9PGZdQmD6QgAsTbmhSbvolsyeTw2yCj+11WS+jd iJb+KtA35FPap0CVTia0QBaebkAWrzzHje0awHiO1mC/kfgWZKJcn+IHYl7NOUfhtLik jgobfgaINr3rgBl6RGQKG719jHyvX3E+KWt7iIr+tfiLDbtOGqNkHPg1vvGBPEEWfTI+ hOsg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=sOE2tbzQWDBxhRovuL8PMwL6/DZ+45So4AfeamZi2As=; b=q8OBNhddq/pdj5f8M61wH9hlKkb4VVJrPuPc5AYubO9hX9Z0U14D15cRC8i61eh9F5 0usMLxP3C605kQ5pCBfJGgfuaqHcyw2+a0f0pYBvelq5k+71z+fX7Q5uXDZmjavdjF39 qmKO4gsDLU4oIHZK7xUEKLj3koB+8AO43XiJGjYcvqovwoAIWn56bMOxA0H/91mdnIpf 8Fe7F0Z79TIO8SAMdINakGQORrRuQyIY/xm39dMWvv8NG+ERwJiqxPOiKhjrvCd2WYmQ 5gW2ndTupzhvEfQoUbm5yAJdImnBIJsEiShjznk77ub23frTWX/Khhfgu/pBj+Pg96fB R0Vg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HlS2AlxkXMo/S6yuscd7GM3muWOSw3SuUe/w5WiQ30ogVufVhg gL5B5kKoPlTf2LOks/vjL7MjIYyYnJ1jNX9k0SSsZB7w X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx49dAC3txhlIx22tFtzioimn0/l+2b7fG4+rPRTIE5z363hiT99ZOSYOOY3l3NbF4BkvK3jo44/1eEE8Bho3Emg= X-Received: by 2002:a24:2d0:: with SMTP id 199-v6mr408763itu.23.1522175886573; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.165.70 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <88d042a2-a68b-ec2b-ee07-a9e7a0fe9223@gentoo.org> <1522138764.2317.11.camel@gentoo.org> From: Daniel Robbins Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:38:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000153eb056869315d" X-Archives-Salt: 3df7181d-1857-4af8-a3ad-08d3c547c9bf X-Archives-Hash: 8ab6251bf7fcafa533e1251f4aabeca9 --0000000000000153eb056869315d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > > The trustees, as a whole, have complete authority over > > the project, and have the ability and legal authority to remove Council > > members that they may feel are a threat to the long-term stability of the > > project. > > Only on paper. If they actually tried to exercise this right it would > certainly lead to complete chaos. I suspect for the most part > everybody would just ignore them, and they'd be forced to try to > undertake legal measures to seize control of the Foundation assets > assuming they could even afford to do this. In the meantime most of > the distro would probably just carry on without them. > No, you are misrepresenting the actual authority of Trustees. They have actual, real authority over the project as opposed to imagined authority that you seem to appeal to. In the worst case Gentoo would end up changing its name and hosting. > I suspect this would only happen after considerable expense by the > Foundation to boot everybody out, assuming this even succeeded. > So, in other words, if the Trustees actually tried to do their job, you would participate in a fork of the project and host it under another name. I actually think that would acceptable. Please go ahead and do so, there is nothing stopping you. But if you are continuing to participate in Gentoo, then you need to respect the authority of the Trustees, whether you like it or not. I will be supporting Gentoo, not your effort. -Daniel --0000000000000153eb056869315d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>= wrote:

> The trustees, as a whole, have complete authority over
> the project, and have the ability and legal authority to remove Counci= l
> members that they may feel are a threat to the long-term stability of = the
> project.

Only on paper.=C2=A0 If they actually tried to exercise this right it would=
certainly lead to complete chaos.=C2=A0 I suspect for the most part
everybody would just ignore them, and they'd be forced to try to
undertake legal measures to seize control of the Foundation assets
assuming they could even afford to do this.=C2=A0 In the meantime most of the distro would probably just carry on without them.
=
No, you are misrepresenting the actual authority of Trustees= . They have actual, real authority over the project as opposed to imagined = authority that you seem to appeal to.

In the worst case Gentoo would end up changing its name and hosting.
I suspect this would only happen after considerable expense by the
Foundation to boot everybody out, assuming this even succeeded.

So, in other words, if the Trustees actually tried= to do their job, you would participate in a fork of the project and host i= t under another name. I actually think that would acceptable. Please go ahe= ad and do so, there is nothing stopping you. But if you are continuing to p= articipate in Gentoo, then you need to respect the authority of the Trustee= s, whether you like it or not. I will be supporting Gentoo, not your effort= .

-Daniel=C2=A0
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