From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8A5E1382C5 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99A14E0C10; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-x231.google.com (mail-it0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64C2BE0BA0 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:35:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-x231.google.com with SMTP id h143-v6so15300518ita.4 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3+c4Ci5fkCahsscV9cKwh8QNgw3LP5aqAZwkEn1Tc6I=; b=IRDzAZ212y6WgsvLmd0TN15rhMGNjBr16+6PNu/dORb1jpLnVgOuKFAil5oAROyblJ ElG8aO4UzTWrwQTOiZ/aKE3T7WODvs+Crn5eTCILopmhabyvnsLOULuEj5jjF55DJqn9 48kqdp6ynxn11EdwfqiM9sVyLXKHMWxQDBtO+V+UNRjt6Z1X7GrjbWLmM7IC0TIr1A3q HK2qHWtiWWdwTJx2E0y5Lv005oWIzao4S1M5IycjwI/IOJ/JSqBHGyFmmyTah28pjm62 KyDBP0XJZQBKUZvyC2Rx4C1LpH6G1T9ItPie6GLjjxANL/4m5IbjLX53+GSgaMRwbLkd G9KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=3+c4Ci5fkCahsscV9cKwh8QNgw3LP5aqAZwkEn1Tc6I=; b=iZeM1+u4aQff61Wjdd0//izz60JWbZngiEy6lXgJuIvjsi8g//412rMboN9zDMgAIV N9+k51eWIoAqWia8xT0H4ONirsTawlSv+Mk2ZrreoOZ5HcUZd2VAYz5t0j1emN4vL4OV BJA7boOqQ1wK2V4XpivSlty6AmE21dozvx5muG8dyEas/73URSRCs8TyNEb6g5xHo+GE tJJcdgQMHm2EiSI8/iPgaoiWyGJJgn2Wlx7462Ta75mX1BAKNqtiI+ruN+BuF0iEDyyz Xq1hT+Z+p1sdva1Tk1MFSpZJw7d75e+w48/dm7tU1QLJbjxlRkDZNWk9Ax2QjYoOJqLB TVmg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAJV4GlHWA56zqedG0+ogEthH0quCwBaKEXR9uJN0jbVsYghNNb W4p8mcC5vV4O7taRECZqpOfe8DOcnUbb7dGGCzDmMBAf X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx49+NuKAYt0mKfbmiqo6JqH/065XiFf/23FdOTw1jsRt5JgWAynCPIjffULXocxMS25TA5NdurfGca3SDrIrY5I= X-Received: by 2002:a24:e40e:: with SMTP id o14-v6mr5056267ith.152.1522539324760; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.78.215 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:35:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <23227.50997.942551.336507@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <11815711.Ukc4K8cNtV@porto> From: Daniel Robbins Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:35:23 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009c27980568bdcfb8" X-Archives-Salt: 5bf05a00-4470-475c-b3b1-aae08d52a4ab X-Archives-Hash: e0d214172f3ec1104c46d2ca92248c83 --0000000000009c27980568bdcfb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > So, this has been debated before, so I won't elaborate on it > extensively, but I think it would be healthier to have these sorts of > users become developers and vote for both the Council and the > Trustees, than to have two different constituencies, because this only > increases the opportunity for conflict between these bodies. I disagree strongly and think this is unwise because many may contribute but not have time to go through the recruitment process or any interest in being part of the project. Also, it is critical that there is representation from outside of the project proper, as the Gentoo developer world can become (many will argue that is already has become) a kind of mono-culture. My proposal was very specific and accomplishes what is necessary to ensure user representation in decision-making and also ensures that current behavioral issues are addressed. -Daniel --0000000000009c27980568bdcfb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= at, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> = wrote:

So, this has been debated before, so I won't elaborate on it
extensively, but I think it would be healthier to have these sorts of
users become developers and vote for both the Council and the
Trustees, than to have two different constituencies, because this only
increases the opportunity for conflict between these bodies.
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I disagree strongly and think this is unwise because ma= ny may contribute but not have time to go through the recruitment process o= r any interest in being part of the project. Also, it is critical that ther= e is representation from outside of the project proper, as the Gentoo devel= oper world can become (many will argue that is already has become) a kind o= f mono-culture.

My proposal was very specific and = accomplishes what is necessary to ensure user representation in decision-ma= king and also ensures that current behavioral issues are addressed.

-Daniel
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