From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-project+bounces-7406-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4D261382C5 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8535E0BCB; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93D76E0BC1 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-x232.google.com with SMTP id q80so14350349ioi.13 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:13:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=+UIv+SpcyKh3/eAumyKCz22zKsZtUt7gwyfvT8ly09I=; b=RPpqb9/QGk58tmYvzu1qPeVPS0QJwdofuXOzw/cvQFY2GTEPG9km0aZaErzYt64SjS 5WnTnpHTcm9LpR2OT9nE49GCrucItx2qVZYWIs/WyhX9wg+rI8CwHHjn5MRjjSn9cXVA YXsN/sRAr4eDGY1TkDwQVtxzpuVZJBDJULVAbwoxJAYZXVDAXh48BRF7qtXFt5UljHH7 vjWV8x1V7A4D23i0f9WqOovmENJvmVnphym7h8YdyLhhi4nSGffpe2NsuBPiaqqCNgBo LSh1F5E0kwwTC0g7Y461niKfN5pRY9AgDl28GV8doYMb46MsV9AIk1B7IZ823Gyj/y5h zUYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=+UIv+SpcyKh3/eAumyKCz22zKsZtUt7gwyfvT8ly09I=; b=KooJh5kfmRjgJCnIPo9qMyRjbPPCfF0/eVlHRU2VLaZebi6UD8esFKNLRemPqGwA3Y bDHFroxOsgMmKin45xjJJcog6Du3ZEAa49puCpO2nQJzX9OqiCeUvjYalfBcflZgF+9S dOuj8s2ymQHjo8/bHcYVZA0qYYFssnbiyeGsY9AW2FioSNxo53vKjrEU+5z/Hiwab30G afB11EYBs0l04s6JAwt5l+Ik/gvsicGqd28MKxCtBDueih6F9uVIREr7cDAXAAEOufi8 tM1MnnnhkEhuK+QCHyPYUkSzGb+P30ru5HCjzEGOc3Ab3eNqjxu7V3PJG2ulayKZG5Rn /Log== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBUJY6TRxL2MbIUR8gdSA4hs+wXrUyNHZB+4lY3+G0Kk6e6ybg2 q/9MLYw4DPu80cRUDIEZ0WUJKEW9cnfbDckkuiRdzSXe X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+WVRUWpdWlOyQYT6aPBIX7XsB4SVrOWJCz1/yZCSgPxpVsEZ4AQU8YqQB9U3TO/Y8JbffB/OdoSLoBAo7wHOo= X-Received: by 10.107.101.21 with SMTP id z21mr3550895iob.3.1522534429011; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.78.215 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:13:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1522534173.836.6.camel@gentoo.org> References: <CAPDOV4-7T7XKo_ytBkqj0qRv9FMx4i+OJ0RoZHfVtTXSnvAkvw@mail.gmail.com> <23227.50997.942551.336507@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <CAPDOV48vtcQmWU6bkx8_i31q9S93d=CaPty8J7hKnAVJjcZwtw@mail.gmail.com> <11815711.Ukc4K8cNtV@porto> <CAPDOV4-UkVeBW60UWL7Kxz4Tvczt0CEEmo47V=1T2oBOsUOFYg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJEWDoUxNsETJRk4e=mog6qWTy4iTvMPo_iTYLpCsnWzcVXGvQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV4-A5QvDPVzgukLMj6Ck-BBgGAnObY9AtDGu7v+mPe5nug@mail.gmail.com> <CAGfcS_nHiD0+V6qCFnYR_amMaMAbXeLPcKG2fqWYe=rVUd99hw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV48AyTsi9D6BP_jELPVXQNW-Q9whTUyMEiRB298O7bP_Hg@mail.gmail.com> <CAGfcS_k91nYw4e37JqzjGJh+1BK5YB9ETa4=kH5ux8GXD-JJvA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV49s5urdn=QzWPaZEx-oBROn=WMh5_Kn7V2RJtvA6U+O3A@mail.gmail.com> <CAGfcS_mmiJcDSg8BnRHJ6K3FRSchBmTwv8_N_x-HkcH7V09Z=A@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV49MPFkCWpvirdYzhcR_x_+b0XdN--ngJCnNo+sX1SSUXA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV49fGuOmUf9VCec-WSictOvKHagBYd_d=GihL8dufY7kEw@mail.gmail.com> <1522534173.836.6.camel@gentoo.org> From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:13:48 -0600 Message-ID: <CAPDOV49Z4YZph2d5nhvP3rXTARJ-Y60KH2AnynAS+RWbVG8xNA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e082d0838ccc9980568bcab8e" X-Archives-Salt: c9d49ec2-094e-49c2-8d55-671e51a23319 X-Archives-Hash: 3194246a4edbe9f2226b25939019db44 --089e082d0838ccc9980568bcab8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <mgorny@gentoo.org>= wrote: > > > Yes, soliciting feedback from users is important. However, I don't know > of any entity that gives 'point blank' ability to *decide* > on the project to anyone who claims to be an user. I have a very specific proposal to fix Council, and it does not involve giving users direct involvement in decision-making. Go re-read what I wrote. I have attempted to explain it multiple times. -Daniel --089e082d0838ccc9980568bcab8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S= at, Mar 31, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <span dir=3D"ltr"><<= a href=3D"mailto:mgorny@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank">mgorny@gentoo.org</a>= ></span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .= 8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> Yes, soliciting feedback from users is important. However, I don't know= <br> of any entity that gives 'point blank' ability to *decide*<br> on the project to anyone who claims to be an user.</blockquote><div><br></d= iv><div>I have a very specific proposal to fix Council, and it does not inv= olve giving users direct involvement in decision-making. Go re-read what I = wrote. I have attempted to explain it multiple times.</div><div><br></div><= div>-Daniel=C2=A0</div></div></div></div> --089e082d0838ccc9980568bcab8e--