From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-project+bounces-7166-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 350001382C5 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62225E0C07; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38319E0C04 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id c80so8356479itb.4 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:33:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1ibma9vWsNXF2EJAUP/qWslPYo2JzY1whuMmhQycOPE=; b=NDTfesFvYntqZyK2ek3zxa7R5Uk1ocBbm4DoUiKnAACH4xrM/o5FTCAM4V0HAME3jE ugtsQBe7k0DLW3r3EdUUV4xXcGBx0AZRsnb+BqmZJQ/zrz8qYc7mGAf3rveZx7vXB/Z9 q3M9M8nYmvDODAhxfevuC3UdYdUUz2ma3wu/w3BcEogqN2OcGtosM5u+0HTPv9sLJ6wc hl/vPKBsgxG6sn2tg6tbVxhyvsz14u5tgONE75vj6h/ls9+Fmi7dVLxOcJ1S2mw+8Knp EPFxiX4jVP/enWjM0gL4JAiKkoDQfOorB1tMYqnZ335Qhgypj4QzSdUn3kNlLceWaV9A FniQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=1ibma9vWsNXF2EJAUP/qWslPYo2JzY1whuMmhQycOPE=; b=YE79nC3yVmoXz8HtFtOJQGld2Tg5B1sCbWiYQ4BjFEfXv/H/0F8M/034062AUym9fY fvQHtdV6b7Z0ZloG2dDwOsZJ0nI48hJmKC+tRxwL8/2p4jrY+T3MCpY9b0HCfJqdiuG5 K64tmGmQONBqMRC9hImRy/xnbGFdZUO7Naue5v3U/QzK17z2AFuPjC7awBqkNLKT7fcs X4lv3iXApqmnNUMHMX0+fHqV0LauZ/5HIhQp3xlPEhJzemRZrpr1zpcbyV1vSFJm93Wa hCSG+GPrWTGiCkHaCXMkJsva5rOsj2B9FIWqeuugg8BjgiWlXL96luMW9P9IB0BW+LPx fauw== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPCJ9wz4UI2eAvqaQGhGwt45DxtI7VlKlfhIPWqM80Eku8/XGxbZ rwNateegrEut58M9M0FmtTb2SgrXyGfMFROfB/doKiDkSu8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227zefGfEnLf7SZz1755t5SbJ3G4UnPcdbkRsSck/JqTWR60A8JfpW1Ro0nDiFlYhgUOLjkBUi+4UcLcrJslGb0= X-Received: by 10.36.253.6 with SMTP id m6mr1006354ith.132.1518129182931; Thu, 08 Feb 2018 14:33:02 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.202.75 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:33:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20180208221740.du25ay4mrqyjxlwc@gentoo.org> References: <20180208045041.GA6197@clocktown> <CAPDOV4-rF+j=6i87QLBeh=9G8C9xTsUVK2YAxkruge_dhW+kJg@mail.gmail.com> <20180208211814.GA19121@clocktown> <CAPDOV49Xy+izCTxRUGXm405UzBcY3GJj1-Xwwi2JX5jBm0DgoQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAGfcS_kHaCQDBX31KuRkO6Yhj2WVhPnLfHPGe5sbwb8bbOgqpg@mail.gmail.com> <20180208221740.du25ay4mrqyjxlwc@gentoo.org> From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 15:33:02 -0700 Message-ID: <CAPDOV49FaNruSfPvb0bQZptV0vL9uHbSEARf4ZMG0xM-Qs0tAA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] RFC: Expanding Foundation Bylaws, section 4.9 Termination from Membership To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c11c0c0ac0ee90564bafe40" X-Archives-Salt: ffe926d7-d0a7-4dd2-8153-f4e4ee5c2f91 X-Archives-Hash: 596e1e58ab2773694bc2c674bc55cbd3 --94eb2c11c0c0ac0ee90564bafe40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think rich0 is spot-on here where if we make it even shorter, it gets even stronger: Section 4.9. Termination from Membership. Membership may be terminated by a majority vote of the board of trustees. No explanation required. Right now, it sounds like the trustees may need to justify that the member is acting contrary to the purpose(s) of the Foundation. When really, no justification should be required (it just opens the door for endless argument, grumpiness, and thus more likely to lead to legal action). At the very least, it should say that the trustees can remove anyone *they feel* (ie. based on *their opinion*, which can't be argued) is acting poorly. That removes the possibility of debate. -Daniel --94eb2c11c0c0ac0ee90564bafe40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);= font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-varian= t-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:= normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:nor= mal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-styl= e:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I think rich0 is spot-on here wher= e if we make it even shorter, it gets even stronger:</span></div><div><span= class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-seri= f;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-var= iant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;tex= t-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backgr= ound-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-c= olor:initial"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"color= :rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:norm= al;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;l= etter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;w= hite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-d= ecoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Section 4.9. Termina= tion from Membership.<br></span><span class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"color:rgb= (80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;f= ont-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;lette= r-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white= -space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decor= ation-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Membership may be termin= ated by a majority vote of the board of trustees.</span><br></div><div><spa= n class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-ser= if;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-va= riant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te= xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;backg= round-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-= color:initial"><br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"colo= r:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:nor= mal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;= letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;= white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-= decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">No explanation requ= ired. Right now, it sounds like the trustees may need to justify that the m= ember is acting contrary to the purpose(s) of the Foundation. When really, = no justification should be required (it just opens the door for endless arg= ument, grumpiness, and thus more likely to lead to legal action). At the ve= ry least, it should say that the trustees can remove anyone *they feel* (ie= . based on *their opinion*, which can't be argued) is acting poorly. Th= at removes the possibility of debate.</span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail= -im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.= 8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:norma= l;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;te= xt-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(= 255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><= br></span></div><div><span class=3D"gmail-im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);f= ont-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant= -ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:n= ormal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm= al;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style= :initial;text-decoration-color:initial">-Daniel</span></div></div> --94eb2c11c0c0ac0ee90564bafe40--