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From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 14:06:33 -0600
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up
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On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr. <phajdan.jr@gentoo.o=
rg>
wrote:
>
> Glad to hear this.
>
> The discussion so far seems rather abstract. I wonder if we could
> attempt collecting some specifics (maybe on a wiki page?), such as the
> major pain points, and unaddressed issues. I'd happy to have a wider
> audience vote on such items.
The vision I have for the User Representatives is that they would help
shape this effort. I think it could involve any number of approaches.
Ultimately, I think it's going to be building relationships with people,
having conversations, having a presence at shows, collecting feedback, and
looking for opportunities to positively influence ongoing dev efforts to
help to address this feedback.
For example, I did a speaking engagement at a University in Krakow last
year. Their feedback was overwhelmingly -- "We love Gentoo, but we can only
afford used laptops here in Poland, as University students. It takes too
long to compile everything." Especially with things like webkit-gtk, guile
and others that eat up a ton of time. Can we look at ways to address these
concerns without compromising the from-source nature of Gentoo? I am
planning to try to address this in Funtoo in some way. Now, I have to say
that it's been a year since I heard this feedback and I still don't have a
set of binary packages for these people. But I haven't forgotten. And I
have engaged in a variety of efforts to work my way towards the point where
I *can* potentially offer binaries for older systems. This has meant
changes to our infrastructure, changes to our release model, changes to our
profiles -- there is a lot of ground-work to be laid to address some of
these issues.
So I think that for the User Rep, it is more a job of having a consistent,
steady voice in development decisions, so the groundwork is laid for
improvements that will eventually benefit users. In many cases, this is a
marathon, not a sprint.
Best,
Daniel
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M=
on, Apr 2, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr. <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
href=3D"mailto:phajdan.jr@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank">phajdan.jr@gentoo.=
org</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Glad to hear this.<=
br>
<br>
The discussion so far seems rather abstract. I wonder if we could<br>
attempt collecting some specifics (maybe on a wiki page?), such as the<br>
major pain points, and unaddressed issues. I'd happy to have a wider<br=
>
audience vote on such items.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The vision I h=
ave for the User Representatives is that they would help shape this effort.=
I think it could involve any number of approaches. Ultimately, I think it&=
#39;s going to be building relationships with people, having conversations,=
having a presence at shows, collecting feedback, and looking for opportuni=
ties to positively influence ongoing dev efforts to help to address this fe=
edback.</div><div><br></div><div>For example, I did a speaking engagement a=
t a University in Krakow last year. Their feedback was overwhelmingly -- &q=
uot;We love Gentoo, but we can only afford used laptops here in Poland, as =
University students. It takes too long to compile everything." Especia=
lly with things like webkit-gtk, guile and others that eat up a ton of time=
. Can we look at ways to address these concerns without compromising the fr=
om-source nature of Gentoo? I am planning to try to address this in Funtoo =
in some way. Now, I have to say that it's been a year since I heard thi=
s feedback and I still don't have a set of binary packages for these pe=
ople. But I haven't forgotten. And I have engaged in a variety of effor=
ts to work my way towards the point where I *can* potentially offer binarie=
s for older systems. This has meant changes to our infrastructure, changes =
to our release model, changes to our profiles -- there is a lot of ground-w=
ork to be laid to address some of these issues.</div><div><br></div><div>So=
I think that for the User Rep, it is more a job of having a consistent, st=
eady voice in development decisions, so the groundwork is laid for improvem=
ents that will eventually benefit users. In many cases, this is a marathon,=
not a sprint.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br>Daniel=C2=A0</d=
iv></div><br></div></div>
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