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From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org>
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 23:41:56 -0600
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up
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On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Dean Stephens <desultory@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> As you have a stated position, specifically that this User
> Representatives proposal would resolve (largely unspecified) problems
>
I think I have been clear on the problems, but I can try to be more clear.
The Council are Gentoo developers who are voted upon by Gentoo developers,
and there is no clear accountability to any outside group.
There are severe behavioral problems on the Council right now. There is a
lack of enforcement of behavioral standards upon Council members, even
though the Council is in theory responsible for defining these standards.
I think the responses to my proposal demonstrate that the Gentoo developer
culture is isolated and protective of its own interests, not interested in
accountability (no responses saying "yes, Council members *should* indeed
be held to the same standards they hold others" -- isn't this obvious?),
and in need of reform.
Best,
Daniel
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un, Apr 1, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Dean Stephens <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:desultory@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank">desultory@gentoo.org</a>>=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
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</span>As you have a stated position, specifically that this User<br>
Representatives proposal would resolve (largely unspecified) problems<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think I have been clear on the problems, b=
ut I can try to be more clear. The Council are Gentoo developers who are vo=
ted upon by Gentoo developers, and there is no clear accountability to any =
outside group.</div><div><br></div><div>There are severe behavioral problem=
s on the Council right now. There is a lack of enforcement of behavioral st=
andards upon Council members, even though the Council is in theory responsi=
ble for defining these standards.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the resp=
onses to my proposal demonstrate that the Gentoo developer culture is isola=
ted and protective of its own interests, not interested in accountability (=
no responses saying "yes, Council members *should* indeed be held to t=
he same standards they hold others" -- isn't this obvious?), and i=
n need of reform.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>D=
aniel</div></div><br></div></div>
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