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From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org>
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 18:16:46 -0600
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up
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On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:58 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I disagree strongly and think this is unwise because many may contribute
> but
> > not have time to go through the recruitment process or any interest in
> being
> > part of the project. Also, it is critical that there is representation
> from
> > outside of the project proper, as the Gentoo developer world can become
> > (many will argue that is already has become) a kind of mono-culture.
>
> Is the intent really for these non-developer Foundation members to be
> considered "outside of the project proper?"
>
> Are they stakeholder or aren't they? If they are, then we shouldn't
> treat them like second class citizens. If they aren't, then we
> shouldn't treat them as if they are. Certainly we can listen to them,
> but they shouldn't be part of formal governance.
>
> If the concern is that we become a "mono-culture" wouldn't it make
> more sense to bring in the voices that would make it not be a
> mono-culture?
>
> How is it better to instead keep those voices outside, but then give
> them the power to shame those who are actually actively contributing?
>
Rich, I really have no time to discuss every minor point into the ground,
so I will refrain from replying to your esoteric questions. I think my
perspective is clear and can be understood by anyone who sincerely attempts
to do so.
-Daniel
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
at, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:58 PM, Rich Freeman <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:rich0@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank">rich0@gentoo.org</a>></span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Sat, Mar 31, 2=
018 at 7:35 PM, Daniel Robbins <<a href=3D"mailto:drobbins@funtoo.org">d=
robbins@funtoo.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I disagree strongly and think this is unwise because many may contribu=
te but<br>
> not have time to go through the recruitment process or any interest in=
being<br>
> part of the project. Also, it is critical that there is representation=
from<br>
> outside of the project proper, as the Gentoo developer world can becom=
e<br>
> (many will argue that is already has become) a kind of mono-culture.<b=
r>
<br>
</span>Is the intent really for these non-developer Foundation members to b=
e<br>
considered "outside of the project proper?"<br>
<br>
Are they stakeholder or aren't they?=C2=A0 If they are, then we shouldn=
't<br>
treat them like second class citizens.=C2=A0 If they aren't, then we<br=
>
shouldn't treat them as if they are.=C2=A0 Certainly we can listen to t=
hem,<br>
but they shouldn't be part of formal governance.<br>
<br>
If the concern is that we become a "mono-culture" wouldn't it=
make<br>
more sense to bring in the voices that would make it not be a<br>
mono-culture?<br>
<br>
How is it better to instead keep those voices outside, but then give<br>
them the power to shame those who are actually actively contributing?<br></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>Rich, I really have no time to discuss every=
minor point into the ground, so I will refrain from replying to your esote=
ric questions. I think my perspective is clear and can be understood by any=
one who sincerely attempts to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>-Daniel</div>=
</div></div></div>
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