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From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 08:54:29 -0600
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Burden of proof
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Mgorny oversees comrel, that is the problem. And this is not exactly "news"
to anyone -- this is a known, chronic issue on the project that for
whatever reason has not been addressed.
I have nothing personal against Michal, in fact when "returning" to Gentoo
I tried to mentor him, and I have made a pretty significant effort to help
him with various challenges, as well as help him in any way I can by trying
to tackle things that are stressing him out with Gentoo.
Despite these efforts, I seem to not be immune from his irrational anger
and verbal abuse, and I think that he is an example of how Council needs
some accountability to an outside group.
It is a catch-22 situation when people demand I support my arguments, and
then when I support my arguments, I get attacked for doing so.
Best,
Daniel
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Mgor=
ny oversees comrel, that is the problem. And this is not exactly "news=
" to anyone -- this is a known, chronic issue on the project that for =
whatever reason has not been addressed.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">I have nothing personal against Michal, i=
n fact when "returning" to Gentoo I tried to mentor him, and I ha=
ve made a pretty significant effort to help him with various challenges, as=
well as help him in any way I can by trying to tackle things that are stre=
ssing him out with Gentoo.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">Despite these efforts, I seem to not be immune from hi=
s irrational anger and verbal abuse, and I think that he is an example of h=
ow Council needs some accountability to an outside group.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">It is a catch-22 situ=
ation when people demand I support my arguments, and then when I support my=
arguments, I get attacked for doing so.</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Best,</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Daniel</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><br></div></div>
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