From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-project+bounces-7466-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B55E91382C5 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 20:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A06BDE0F16; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 20:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-x235.google.com (mail-io0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 692BFE0F15 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 20:21:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-x235.google.com with SMTP id q84so19277807iod.10 for <gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 13:21:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=funtoo-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oeKHV2EwiRL7a3tIwMnLYYbyE+zV5fagpSQ4/JbsSb4=; b=GRDoPQk+QzJSt2dBHLQOFwaXW6JWM4Pn2ok4fDiOLfZCq7KeKfui+xPRdhXK/V43dI MEJKwR5MbJAwphWs8UXvymJ9rM9tmtrRw8W3BT1soOqWKzF96T2CP3CfLIOXUijM7NLo 5481f1qTw7L/hFDD6fI5nLAKYVzy7SqJ1/f9E9oDxn1qWcGAAJeKHPn8wwNKBjQQADVO E4BQ0Z33jUdYm50zuE3rX6xOLzPX3DoFyQ+if/YGn0dZGsMBuz9JXTiJIhq42IVtqk+Z rrwHQ9mSDDNbseTCeQ5mNelUqFFNVLZp17bk/Pu1UQ3ZLiWq7leRyMby7+DFMS+SoWSp Nh6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oeKHV2EwiRL7a3tIwMnLYYbyE+zV5fagpSQ4/JbsSb4=; b=pFqWCu6v4fBaN5aUm9VVHoVmzRXt4b9FvefAsZ8l2jazIVKZxhwqej+WMBMSQAjmVs yPrTvK4KaTXhdVchhY9M6xaff2AZPEcvguoA1eQaATdDJJf8nUPNhMeFxNmdRXG0dTLH a4tldeDPwJlnSsnoybIYJZmZxlt8l3Adkt3h5LCSWSKHI3jZOeNgYLvsFevw2vNgg8gi eAGPUqR98b0XQ3zoZCOVCICuVvfjr3WOVQbu+rONaKftEMw1Ec7I1Ni1rEhEvoM1uLq1 hcahnlH9CUOsfp4gtwBK3U8pF88LxqtTM8ikgnZ6EHOOkTu23CJxmFhd/hQ6C0AJGysh t54Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7Fw2fuALQpe0Henqac9jMkQTBlT3oK7yfMQ9jls5jQPJJWTZ3X4 IA+WaLSe6njtvC9hlSWcJGOeOMh7PAfPuI1HNFu5dM0u X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48tlo4Ika033XNO/VqvcNiTVDPk0nTSCk9GT8v/Y0hwJ5+eKrEaGT5eTh2nX2Jbl9uzZb9OmLNO4tbCp6HnTYo= X-Received: by 10.107.97.17 with SMTP id v17mr9561498iob.256.1522700484852; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 13:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-project+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-project+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list <gentoo-project.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.78.215 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Apr 2018 13:21:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96152e70-6672-e872-ce20-254ee4e364e0@gentoo.org> References: <CAPDOV4_SSJwHv2YuBA=Ph1dpqWboGXtKT8D2NG25Pzbi9HSf6w@mail.gmail.com> <CAPDOV49Ybvpj6AX6TT5q7b_oRTtbDT5gBAdNFEumtOjw2mN=qA@mail.gmail.com> <1522677230.14250.62.camel@gentoo.org> <CAPDOV4__P+bFLr4DGmSaVTY_B+pGn3Wh5BdOHu+a2m06OfcC7g@mail.gmail.com> <1522693222.2542.20.camel@gentoo.org> <CAAD4mYj7ifpo0ojzTfdA2ZjGnOmFwPXqqTNm+-Lu6fdDQZ4aug@mail.gmail.com> <1522698735.2542.35.camel@gentoo.org> <CAPDOV4_k9_V6p5VHzEKT-9NmKrsbRfTMMaGBXeHT-9i2EcD2cA@mail.gmail.com> <96152e70-6672-e872-ce20-254ee4e364e0@gentoo.org> From: Daniel Robbins <drobbins@funtoo.org> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 14:21:24 -0600 Message-ID: <CAPDOV4-d=a8L_1oXuDc1QrXQ8HvnprS8x_5ffftXDZRksbtMoA@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Burden of proof To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e082600347fcddc0568e35537" X-Archives-Salt: d8af668a-e536-48f3-9d9e-c30ad585bbe6 X-Archives-Hash: 10b6a9ce87897d2d952c325fece0ca05 --089e082600347fcddc0568e35537 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n < chithanh@gentoo.org> wrote: > Daniel Robbins schrieb: > > I think this is a very good post. I am willing to abide by whatever > standards > > of conduct that mgorny and ulm are subject to. Right no, that standard = is > > "nada". If that changes, I will happily tone down the rhetoric. > > No, I think that this is not enough. Even in the face of others engaging = in > misconduct or displaying blatant disregard for rules (and I am not accusi= ng > anyone here), we should stay civil and show our best behavior. > It is interesting that Gentoo comrel clamps down immediately on violations of outsiders, but chronically ignores ongoing violations from Council members. I wonder why that is? -Daniel --089e082600347fcddc0568e35537 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On M= on, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n <span= dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:chithanh@gentoo.org" target=3D"_blank">c= hithanh@gentoo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">= Daniel Robbins schrieb:<br> <span class=3D"">> I think this is a very good post. I am willing to abi= de by whatever standards<br> > of conduct that mgorny and ulm are subject to. Right no, that standard= is<br> > "nada". If that changes, I will happily tone down the rhetor= ic.<br> <br> </span>No, I think that this is not enough. Even in the face of others enga= ging in<br> misconduct or displaying blatant disregard for rules (and I am not accusing= <br> anyone here), we should stay civil and show our best behavior.<br></blockqu= ote><div><br></div><div>It is interesting that Gentoo comrel clamps down im= mediately on violations of outsiders, but chronically ignores ongoing viola= tions from Council members.</div><div><br></div><div>I wonder why that is?<= /div><div><br></div><div>-Daniel=C2=A0</div></div></div></div> --089e082600347fcddc0568e35537--