From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F0F0139083 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A191CE0FCB; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56AB2E0FC6 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f179.google.com (mail-yw0-f179.google.com [209.85.161.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alicef) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D52D333BF24 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 07:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-f179.google.com with SMTP id l7so6626182ywa.13 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 23:54:44 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5Ti4cfUe3f5KlxkGb9UynCO4TeiD3Jo9r/R+eHDNk2l2V2AC8P VZ9CwJiiD4+kTbcBFNHU+TGnnsu0jlAtss3P7mk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZgCUgd7jo1vE6vbpRvolTsfObAORe8M+nQ7/1U/o2V3+OwrRsLcgJnObjhOk3rczcZGs8MW1U/aRXjzNNPyGI= X-Received: by 10.37.187.137 with SMTP id y9mr23273575ybg.287.1512892482655; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 23:54:42 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.11.207 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:54:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20171209230336.5dcee2e1@professor-x> References: <16099994.eYkbcOoAGA@pinacolada> <20171209230336.5dcee2e1@professor-x> From: Alice Ferrazzi Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:54:41 +0900 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Agenda for the council meeting 2017-12-10 18:00 UTC To: gentoo Project mailinglist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 2df80356-2101-42ac-9f11-90302d45b763 X-Archives-Hash: a6675f421794691c96b3dc15bc8508bf On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: > On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 23:21:57 +0000 > "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > >> I did wish to participate re two items here, but regretfully I will be >> travelling at the time, and it's unlikely that I will have >> connectivity. >> >> On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 08:39:54PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >> > 3. Final review of GLEP 74 [4,5] >> > -------------------------------- >> > Full-tree verification using Manifest files >> The implementation is done, some tweaks were made since the previous >> month's version. >> >> > 4. Restricting gentoo-dev/-project posting [6] >> > ---------------------------------------------- >> > * Restricting posting to both gentoo-dev and gentoo-project, while >> > creating a gentoo-experts list? >> > * Restricting posting to gentoo-dev and moving all official >> > business there? >> > * Restricting posting to gentoo-dev and moving all official >> > business to a revived restricted gentoo-council list? >> > * Moderating lists instead? >> I had not weighed in publicly on this before, but wish to make a >> statement. >> The original split of gentoo-dev to gentoo-project included >> moderation of gentoo-dev, however that was never really implemented, >> mostly for technical reasons, and a decreased need after the split. >> >> I oppose a further split of -dev/-project/-experts, and instead >> propose better list policies of -dev. If it's technical, even coming >> from an expert user, it probably belongs on -dev. If it's about the >> organizational structures of Gentoo, it belongs on -project. >> How do we keep the threads more on-topic? Moderation maybe, but I'm >> not convinced that is best. >> >> > > > I second this. I too do not want to see the lists split even further. > There are far too many interested and competent users in it that can > and do contribute in some ways. There has to be a better solution. > > > Also: > > 1. Lack of enough package maintainers [1] > ----------------------------------------- > Anything that can be done? > > > I am intending to set up a buildbot instance and develop some builder > scripts for it to aid in regular package maintenance. It should be > able to do basic version bumps and run the test suite, present it to the > pkg maintainers for final Q/A and pushes to the tree. It should also be > able to check/test on whatever arches that have a worker connected to > it. So this should help take some of the pressure off the various arch > teams. My first goal is for it to do many of the python pkgs I > maintain to get the basic system up and running. Plus I should be able > to leverage some of the g-sorcery/gs-pypi code. Once operational, it > should be possible to add additional parsers to check for and update > dependencies to add additional types of pkgs to its capabilities. > > I will be able to have it run on amd64, x86 and arm64 arches with the > equipment I have. Plus I have had others say they could help with > additional arches such as an armv7 cluster. So, this should also help > with keywording demand. > > > We are working on a similar thing for Kernel packages. You can take reference from this: https://github.com/gentoo/Gentoo_kernelCI Buildbot: http://kernel1.amd64.dev.gentoo.org:8010 > > > -- > Brian Dolbec > -- Thanks, Alice Ferrazzi Gentoo Kernel Project Leader Gentoo Foundation Board Member Mail: Alice Ferrazzi PGP: 2E4E 0856 461C 0585 1336 F496 5621 A6B2 8638 781A