From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 678201382C5 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 03:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D683E0E97; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 03:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-x22e.google.com (mail-it0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7A8CE0E90 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 03:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id b5-v6so15376586itj.1 for ; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:57:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0XLqM/HpvV3URJFa29ku4/HogG7x3Brm/7YWIIixEjo=; b=Jz/yZXCzy/VCBG8wuiCv8Ooq/NR2phPlZYgVVon8sSqzCcn4rGcVPZV2mJVYx509dJ R8Nlv/4JiSZ+rIHEeQodfL61E/nW4D+8IhyYq9RjdaK8wWm1OMqXYGdcQNDpWZpa42pe xatvGD3rx/H43r0id/IV+xyp5MOFFGt9t50sjj1dYzkP7R7wKbEQP4s6+CrqgzD28bAG leub6U/B9rESIqT25Pw/s0Q1bel46QRRNguZ9TesDWDjElK1kvznr4RVDUx/KV+CoDwS 01gTLTtPkeUCN7dC7vOCe1Pb5grp3wGfEo4eMQmauPr3wOZMUvZGoEORfiH5/Mn87qw0 HLhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=0XLqM/HpvV3URJFa29ku4/HogG7x3Brm/7YWIIixEjo=; b=YcGudFlNxiLXEVvrbcKLfWlyrMCMUDtFqgHjBbfkToLaBID2Bhs8FWxcQk3cXZT96I nT4K7+P0u2UlJnyTLO/XBlgphuPV1XzqdKX50tb3bvZxA2HujNSGpSmreNif+jRVSoSU MPXO2ufMTJSPbEuRXw9FGFhh/ciyCks3hxUgM+CdlRM3aLVG6Of+4C+mGMQOiwR+K/ll Sgvx/fwX1O7Nhn7XMT9wWLDeXrZ7BBT4om+jZWwPbDa+Rge3Fous2Ovs75FJjpDq9ola fk6yoaVCqpVrVbgTgKnNcJp5AvkanQcJgciqatrionXmrKRVKKQ7Qb6akhr8WcYilCqE D8wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tCQ/G1ZzlR04itmRC9S2yUoMND4ps+TZBvIq/XBCww8Kc0dkmKc dBw1mLlWVXjP8DYoCiG4Rxh3AzO01oMOKbDT4l/A3w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx491l+IzhzZMQgWpdGos6RD+45mBqvjM45VahL6PruIYLuPeIDxItTatPShxOZHP7DKRYInDVeV2cfHBsQQsEow= X-Received: by 2002:a24:6794:: with SMTP id u142-v6mr7564164itc.19.1522814268351; Tue, 03 Apr 2018 20:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.208.79 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Apr 2018 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87muyt9njh.fsf@gentoo.org> <8379483.Lb7BqKFXgc@pinacolada> <1522663218.793.14.camel@gentoo.org> From: Gregory Woodbury Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 23:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-04-08 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 2c2f915d-cbab-4a6f-b7f2-742ddda9f0f6 X-Archives-Hash: e186f6838d244682340ddaa9596ca308 > If they truly are a burden to maintain, perhaps, but the assets, I > think, are one of the things holding the community together. As much > as I believe in the power of friendship (a great deal) being able to > cooperate and do things easily is crucial for working together towards > a common goal. Has anybody got a scorecard showing the progress of this ball(s)game? I has gotton so deep in BS and personally vindictive allegations that it is nearly impossible to keep up with who has made any possiblely valid points, and who is erecting strawmen and/or bikeshedding every little thing. The only thing clear here is that there is some sort of power struggle happening in a system that has inadequate controls to deal with toxic or abusive leader and members. I fear that we have gotten a "Church of Gentoo" fundamentalist / progressive / whatever . . . schism, and there is a 'take no prisoners' attitude on all sides. At this point all I see is talking past each other and insistance that 'only we/I/they' have s 'right' to have their demands accepted [or else?] FFS. EVERYONE should just SHUT UP for 24 hours and take a break. Go out and smell some flowers (if you are able) or watch a sunset/sunrise/moon... Look at some stars, Watch a silly movies... ANYTHING but this. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury redwolfe@gmail.com