From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0C0138A1A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29760E0875; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f175.google.com (mail-ie0-f175.google.com [209.85.223.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5A74E086A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id x19so17113065ier.6 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:34:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=y6IB/lbR3wxgoEC7qR+EPJQL3xelMyiZjf9eIwfZ7yQ=; b=qDYexesEeYYVbt+moJX2lJvl2RCwTf3OgQ1TPmTtevVcv8U1eRUVyRbprlOiIxrnCB 01dEBX5rOJdHdzr2Qx5TyOcYispp2JeSpNarpcbSe662Py69+tmRXLhlg0oDz2kRxl0h z0z819oFbJ9q1K935SLPnm+LJ17nObazQY2yyIElqEN0gh54tvBSZ+ZhnpEyDwihie4l qnf5SPR/RAvHn+s60H0lT+9pByx495y5zaSPTMdWSaS69FB5khj5MK0uJbojxFYarmrI waM1wCy8s4N+Ecm1S+Xfo9MsHY+W+XK+Pmfhrf1KwpnsEEEkWAYdcDKwu2kIn8GLioJm IUlQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.37.132 with SMTP id l126mr11866648iol.63.1421354090929; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.136.196 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.136.196 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:34:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150115194503.21903543@googlemail.com> References: <20150114034323.GA22358@comet.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> <54B7D189.1000108@gentoo.org> <20150115191001.GD22358@comet.hsd1.mn.comcast.net> <20150115191326.252783e3@googlemail.com> <20150115203333.35211301@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20150115194503.21903543@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 12:34:50 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Some focus for Gentoo From: Seemant Kulleen To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140ecbab0a69c050cb6c943 X-Archives-Salt: 958b94f6-4688-4b60-bac0-f4454d2988d0 X-Archives-Hash: 4ebc6f04edcddb004b103b3afcf14dfb --001a1140ecbab0a69c050cb6c943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Seems like the same discussion. What, exactly, is the product? In a micro view, you are right, ciaran, that the technology is lacking. In the macro view, portage is an engine not the product. The product, in my view, is the experience of using Gentoo. In many ways, the community is the "product". 2 pennies, seemantk empathic design http://seemantk.com On Jan 15, 2015 11:45 AM, "Ciaran McCreesh" wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:33:33 +0100 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > Good, the usual two trolls are done now? > > Probably not just yet. I'm still waiting to hear it extolled that the > community and environment are more important than delivering a decent > product. > > -- > Ciaran McCreesh > --001a1140ecbab0a69c050cb6c943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Seems like the same discussion.=C2=A0 What, exactly, is the = product?=C2=A0 In a micro view, you are right, ciaran, that the technology = is lacking.=C2=A0 In the macro view, portage is an engine not the product.= =C2=A0 The product, in my view, is the experience of using Gentoo.

In many ways,=C2=A0 the community is the "product"= .

2 pennies,

seemantk empathic design
http://seemantk.com

On Jan 15, 2015 11:45 AM, "Ciaran McCreesh&= quot; <ciaran.mccreesh= @googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 20:33:33 +0100
Jeroen Roovers <jer@gentoo.org>= wrote:
> Good, the usual two trolls are done now?

Probably not just yet. I'm still waiting to hear it extolled that the community and environment are more important than delivering a decent
product.

--
Ciaran McCreesh
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