From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC5C138A1A for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9CBAE0854; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 246E8E0845 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id kx10so30371220pab.0 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:23:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=vl/KGfeS+AOrnt+jLgEH0N28mWRcqmFRl0iz/eUq8jE=; b=eJmkPzcev56h6WzN/X9jwyI2zedup0fBBDCCQMribZJTw4k6EMl33vRmLhXs8Q8WYL LvPDuwLaU/pvZTx4tRg3/MWdHpY+FoFV0H8Wt7Ui2Igg/Ks41YWr8yV9T/YUuIksdYbF kJ0VVdDAcnOu/6POFtXXDVQS7xORoWZpUcskXO2PVHw3UcS1ZSFg10yA9nSZcxO2o/SK f+wv51XrZIvt95dBHN/QFNheAfgsn/PgiYq9qNFno3mkxhLomKoOifJY/4zwuTO8GrAB L2OY2scE3BL9zTfXInsE0kRgEtKcjsDeVudGAjkymiMLTUS+oBvtZnuMKW2BBEE719X5 7aKg== X-Received: by 10.66.254.40 with SMTP id af8mr29852810pad.65.1424028216134; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:23:36 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.64.162 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:23:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150215190855.24ba8e86@googlemail.com> References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20150215070454.12e20dda@pomiot.lan> <54E0C6B2.1080004@gentoo.org> <20150215174248.29a9621b@googlemail.com> <54E0E7D4.9090905@gentoo.org> <20150215190855.24ba8e86@googlemail.com> From: Seemant Kulleen Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:23:15 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15afa9f9128f050f25679f X-Archives-Salt: 99a243a9-0d9b-40d7-9e59-329e8bbe4811 X-Archives-Hash: 676705ce9b4b4069319a65e27d103241 --047d7b15afa9f9128f050f25679f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Note: not replying directly to Ciaran (I fully agree with what you said, C and Michal) Question: do any of the scenarios truly threaten Gentoo's existence? Or is it just that things might be a pain in the butt if Github becomes unavailable? Let's say GitHub does change its policies and go full-douchebag -- is it really the case that Gento would be alone in being screwed, or perhaps the numerous open source projects on there would result in another something replacing it? Would love to see a little less fear around here. *--seemantk Empathic Design* Data Visualization | Tech. Team Turnarounds | Customer Experience http://seemantk.com On 15 February 2015 at 11:08, Ciaran McCreesh < ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:39:16 -0500 > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > > On 02/15/15 12:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:17:54 -0500 > > > "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > > >> But the big difference here is that github is a company while infra > > >> is volunteer work. > > > And the equipment and hosting is paid for by... > > > > > > > You mean the folks like osuosl or other institutions run by > > grants :P Or is that not the answer you were expecting? > > No, that's exactly what I mean. What if OSUOSL or some other > institution decides they'll pull funding unless the entire Gentoo > Gnome team is fired? Or what if the government funding them announces > that they can't use their money to accept contributions from or > give benefit to countries in the Axis of Evil? > > The idea that Gentoo is currently immune to these kinds of pressures, > but suddenly wouldn't be if Github were to be used for hosting, isn't > really grounded in reality... > > -- > Ciaran McCreesh > --047d7b15afa9f9128f050f25679f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Note: not replying directly to Ciaran (I fully a= gree with what you said, C and Michal)

Question: do any o= f the scenarios truly threaten Gentoo's existence?

Or is i= t just that things might be a pain in the butt if Github becomes unavailabl= e?

Let's say GitHub does change its policies and go f= ull-douchebag -- is it really the case that Gento would be alone in being s= crewed, or perhaps the numerous open source projects on there would result = in another something replacing it?

Would love to see a li= ttle less fear around here.


--
seemantk Empathic Desig= n
Data Visualization | Tech. Team Turnarounds | Customer Experience<= br>
http://seemantk.= com


On 15 February 2015 at 11:08, Ciaran McCrees= h <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:39:16 -0500
"Anthony G. Basile" <blueness@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 02/15/15 12:42, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:17:54 -0500
> > "Anthony G. Basile" <blueness@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> But the big difference here is that github is a company while= infra
> >> is volunteer work.
> > And the equipment and hosting is paid for by...
> >
>
> You mean the folks like osuosl or other institutions run by
> grants :P Or is that not the answer you were expecting?

No, that's exactly what I mean. What if OSUOSL or some other
institution decides they'll pull funding unless the entire Gentoo
Gnome team is fired? Or what if the government funding them announces
that they can't use their money to accept contributions from or
give benefit to countries in the Axis of Evil?

The idea that Gentoo is currently immune to these kinds of pressures,
but suddenly wouldn't be if Github were to be used for hosting, isn'= ;t
really grounded in reality...

--
Ciaran McCreesh

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