From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA88C13877A for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00673E0844; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D2E8E0837 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id w62so2001712wes.24 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:16:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=/i9e+yqz/z/lrhtSxx+IadBebyW7m61msGQaq5GbrUM=; b=UqR31OpNe1FGQwNe0fFavOuuEKklVZm/Zw1kf/frPecOY5c5/Dc0+iCDVboaUPgzaD UdRb9vOUBnFVUpQ2cAlBoyFhkZ4+ZL4IiaaVjuTMtDGil9MG8E2u9zJRgXURZaa+mEw1 jbsPIWpH7CW8n3EZhf3w/l1zrHLH6mLAT30EZ3LagW03NVAIFpNMqwtJ5JiqEmgELRgq LOXvse9jgDYrXIvKBdyewBEFETz8Z2xJKw7vxSSXxZPC+IAMc/hCjY47LXtwuiA8uBFF hpNMQSnc/7SW+HiaX7bWvBk9cFzSfEdK9aM69wmp4+bTBrwC3l2XQyEZIrG7+7z7laFD FdHA== X-Received: by 10.180.72.228 with SMTP id g4mr9356620wiv.52.1404501375899; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.8.103 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:15:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <539BD2E2.7030803@gentoo.org> <3677509.vVmt2iqRkA@kailua> <53B53E12.10209@opensource.dyc.edu> <1827087.o57vyRvkxh@kailua> <53B58E33.5010906@gentoo.org> <53B6834C.5050003@gentoo.org> From: Seemant Kulleen Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:15:55 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo Council 2014 / 2015 election To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c819e98e15004fd62f56e X-Archives-Salt: f26cf5f2-8f59-4cde-8ef7-435077de12ad X-Archives-Hash: f00c03679ca12cf6873781ecbc3cf38a --f46d043c819e98e15004fd62f56e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Denis, You're obviously frustrated (and you might even be giving voice to more than just your own feeling, here). I didn't read Rich's replies as ordering anyone around. In fact, I dare say Rich is very consistent at suggesting and discussing, but I have yet to witness him order someone around on this list. I have had no personal interaction with him (ever), but he doesn't seem like an order-around kinda guy here. Having said all of that, there's a LOT of baggage around Gentoo's leadership. You (Denis) know from our private conversations that that baggage started around 2002/3 and that I've been carrying a lot of emotional baggage as well. But this is 2014. This is now, this is a time that we can shed baggage, because it serves no other purpose than to weigh us down. There's nobody left to blame. I ask, as user, that you please take a more charitable approach to everyone on the team with the simple understanding that everyone in their own way just wants to improve Gentoo. Thanks again, Seemant On 4 July 2014 12:06, Denis Dupeyron wrote: > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Seemant Kulleen > wrote: > > I'm sorry to speak publicly, but isn't this email exactly the kind of > > attitude we're trying to reverse. As a senior member of the project, I > > really would hope you set a better example of the change that you, > yourself, > > have said you wanted to see. > > You are perfectly right to speak publicly. The point I was trying to > make in this email is very simple. The only good way of changing how a > team operates, for better or worse, is to join it. Ordering people > around without actually doing anything only works if you're the one > signing the paychecks. > > Have we reached a point where council members are such divas that they > can't even be told when they missed a perfectly good opportunity to > shut up? > > Denis. > > --f46d043c819e98e15004fd62f56e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Denis,

You're obvi= ously frustrated (and you might even be giving voice to more than just your= own feeling, here).

I didn't read Rich's replies as o= rdering anyone around.=C2=A0 In fact, I dare say Rich is very consistent at= suggesting and discussing, but I have yet to witness him order someone aro= und on this list.

I have had no personal interaction with him (ever), but he doesn't = seem like an order-around kinda guy here.

Having said all of t= hat, there's a LOT of baggage around Gentoo's leadership. You (Deni= s) know from our private conversations that that baggage started around 200= 2/3 and that I've been carrying a lot of emotional baggage as well.

But this is 2014. This is now, this is a time that we can shed baggage,= because it serves no other purpose than to weigh us down. There's nobo= dy left to blame.

I ask, as user, that you please take a more = charitable approach to everyone on the team with the simple understanding t= hat everyone in their own way just wants to improve Gentoo.

Thanks again,

Seemant


On 4 July 2014 12:06, Denis Dupeyron <ca= lchan@gentoo.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:43= PM, Seemant Kulleen <seemantk@gma= il.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry to speak publicly, but isn't this email exactly the = kind of
> attitude we're trying to reverse. As a senior member of the projec= t, I
> really would hope you set a better example of the change that you, you= rself,
> have said you wanted to see.

You are perfectly right to speak publicly. The point I was trying to<= br> make in this email is very simple. The only good way of changing how a
team operates, for better or worse, is to join it. Ordering people
around without actually doing anything only works if you're the one
signing the paychecks.

Have we reached a point where council members are such divas that they
can't even be told when they missed a perfectly good opportunity to
shut up?

Denis.


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