From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F81D1382C5 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 06:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EA71E08EC; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 06:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-x229.google.com (mail-pf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAA85E08EB for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 06:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id v66so6048033pfv.7 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=cHFX8Ek0FRqVucsvNVOCC9us8gvISKElcq9p8Wr3h2Q=; b=ZL3ybaMekmglymq5yUi/+X5Ipd2gNl+FcW4K1ZlT/gRtkeBHjvfbXCUrBgESA3OsiN rQCGFdrZ5MLjVrYkdo0jCIQzc316xPYLQH0f7UIVJpN3AQpFv8hK18lOUl+FsC5VjjtW uCYkAmyHH6zjf5Z1hCYJdqXX5WxERsK57Z34s76MBzEfbGj/0GAqKjTSyrxfvtIZhhPQ ctq0NeBI6rmR39+Ks4anYfOtyZ4XctOYs2PBIAxnvIpFMxqQVdjdfxAXf4UkjzmsZeUS Km1lEWzKDkxcx3bpwqHdVs+tYh/drn3iUMhZcFC8LXi+hD0Woj3vhQpb3id9BU7ziBd3 lvfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cHFX8Ek0FRqVucsvNVOCC9us8gvISKElcq9p8Wr3h2Q=; b=E9bwSh6a91fO9DbP17Pu+EVlFl1JzDlKTy99+2oz8VVn+VPzoQWQYcERUe6enTPBAd HXMkmzmwG0kuQpGRxnia8eTEAFwPkguswceT6bZJup414qZcmEJOSxnnlLEsOYEDgITa y2hhUPNLbSGbcehFdcy+/mFktfL1PSPuhSJ6jf+xJJhishmz6y08ePpWc+29+wssks47 MNaa8GZzPXrtT73Z+rkTPGF4bwuujhJzvNjWnJaZC3kamJ/BRBspdsU2k2LyC5sQsBQY Zi7M1lBixL463KU8dufHaQ+Ym0qTxqys4+J1qPjliMfjRuBMdWmTjlnSkELsmaUCllit xncA== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HnhUK+kyqBxXT4qlj1Ebog08ueKTGfjgaa0bSphz/8iTf7YZ35 8woKkBbtBY/NWEMuzP9JY3rijv6RN8ZijM/2znhv+g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELuUNhQB1b3+rU+GzYOTy+Zk8mNwUbh39RN3YG0JwIOSBMfN2Ud9nmmNDKaPfT4ADkFqn6tlCWDxzF3DxDjupgE= X-Received: by 10.101.99.213 with SMTP id n21mr27593221pgv.202.1522133768227; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.174.22 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <88d042a2-a68b-ec2b-ee07-a9e7a0fe9223@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 02:56:07 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UzY0TRsV8TWG2Bz_DMdQUiPkYU0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 647c5132-569b-4846-9cf9-fad0fa271958 X-Archives-Hash: 77a38fe88cc17cb15dabc82276a33af3 On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Daniel Robbins wrote: > > Council is related to technical leadership, inter-project technical issues > and issues impacting development, which can include disciplinary issues. Their scope has been significantly larger than that for quite a while. Certainly for longer than I've been a dev. > > Trustees look out for the long-term health of the project. This includes > legal matters, social contract, and quite a few other things. > Does that include renewing corporate registrations, filing taxes, and actually having all of its board slots filled? Historically the Trustees have been one of the largest threats to the long-term health of the project. I realize that they're volunteers, and for the most part they've meant well. This isn't intended as a slight on them. However, it seems to me that there is a systemic issue here. Increasing the scope of the Trustees (or failing to decrease it, if you prefer) seems unwise at this point, when historically they have not been able to manage the scope they already have. -- Rich