From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C84251382C5 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9DB2E0878; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-x244.google.com (mail-pf0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EB96E0877 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2018 01:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-x244.google.com with SMTP id p6so7277334pfn.4 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:23:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=3QyQ/09lOBlF4TFKim1cOIalvJkvtT44io8+9nimrHk=; b=t0L5z2oxDbi7+/JXfEKOGq7BX55Ha1nAImqUnLrxhSwVAmioEwD6s44LNM9FoGd2Mi QYqYM4EOlRrJRC1RkISL8kQQ7diSgOoHERt3MGynoQ18gZekT+XTJjgfsDIFeFJHDq77 KesPYUZ+oTKGKZLalNQ6cTAp9xmygkoKC1tKYPdOcIbbb8nIAIHauZiP3U++uGyYU3mH JYWxD8L8C0T9KwlpYV/YMT0syOJH2r+bTuxUUJE1f66cVdBTKIT6nXaZKS0JB3G4xwhn 4/La97nN/6ga3R/6U2R5Mhyda7ofR9jJnKFL6Jaxquq97X8ZSAqlKNBP0UnbUDKdGgYy SzaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3QyQ/09lOBlF4TFKim1cOIalvJkvtT44io8+9nimrHk=; b=p7acMjipQT/2MO3tSuclmLQGlUpl3dC8vbf/b9oxd1LYUGxkrE8st08BNswN7HjCJK CKP5TEvRDWTIVUzgLn1B/nuSZx2JlJ//ETHOV4c0hYR12egSBzqQ4+/yW+U4isecACCX ZK3foTkoNqAfjgzyC9GwHbh8gL79xWpV+LyBG9wqbUFruhcrTF0P2E0aVCCzKc86UJpx GLbS7m3cZKvoLO93XzS8C66xnheEPrI/Fxi+ZABt+LRwtT4YOw40Jh/0OLW0NIORN4Hk gu2c4mF5JwvoUt3mcRzDHUtgQfYDe84wrrjff/tn069cNQokfP+mji/6wa/vPO//xlt3 xbZg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBBYT45Qj2lwiS+uNjSL3SD7VVgoV7LhqdyF7JD1Wog4abqU4zR 6yBlPXaxihPi/pxIL5YCHvf7Lgh8iC0NanwFmw3q8Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48WFSLX6Qq3gf1Q22KSXIDlTw5IHN2WWl4g4EYWQuiPEwSJcVBcJFLEFcd3+W39rBCRiksBJNUeoDs8CaAlFZU= X-Received: by 10.98.13.23 with SMTP id v23mr13581251pfi.202.1523669014711; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.174.22 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 18:23:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1523640697.5139.2.camel@gentoo.org> <88cd6d1c-8040-a6c2-8f1b-7d19e4202941@iee.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:23:34 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: I0ad843kw73rAkb9cO8jbeEPh0o Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] pre-GLEP: Gentoo Developer status To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 701c8b7d-d4a7-4400-9b19-62557c52a46e X-Archives-Hash: 03ef8f8ee3e4e6333a65d3d4755dfd65 On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Raymond Jennings wrote: > > If there are any legal risks then maybe new developers should be > agreeing to not sue the foundation. > Two issues with that: 1. Comrel doesn't exclusively deal with developers. That said, unless our media is whitelisted there might not be much we can do about non-devs unless they're cooperative. 1a. A possible way to mitigate this is to make step 1 of any Comrel interaction with a non-dev to ask them if they're willing to agree to not sue. If they aren't then they are automatically booted with no further interaction. I'm not sure this really makes anybody happier but it would be a way to reconcile this issue. 2. In the US at least you can't really agree to not sue somebody unconditionally. You can sign something that says that you do, but it isn't likely to be upheld by a court. You can give up your right to sue in specific ways, but courts will generally only accept this to the extent that the deal is seen as fair/etc. Most organizations that require their members/employees/etc to sign such agreements STILL keep such proceedings private for this reason. That, and out of an interest in not turning every single HR issue into a circus. Keep in mind that Comrel's goal in interacting with somebody should be primarily to help them to get along with everybody, not just to kick them out, and IMO keeping things private makes it easier to re-integrate. I'm not saying that asking Foundation members not to sue isn't a bad idea, but I don't know that it would accomplish much. I doubt that it would protect the Foundation against accusations of slander, or against shareholder lawsuits, and those are probably the two biggest areas of risk where suits from members are concerned. -- Rich