From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38CB9138334 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9423E0CAB; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pg1-f179.google.com (mail-pg1-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8677FE0C35 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pg1-f179.google.com with SMTP id 70so7517830pgh.8 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:31:16 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=v0HOqwdvzWkuB16riGemtk2iR5bu2K8t9uuGuDhuv/w=; b=PulCZI4vRLEqOx6lRYVHIYVNc9uycSWZZp4V3wrT6M2LAonIQCo0mA3fj2mHVNIdcL Ik3w6+0Vf8vLLRNgrJjowuAnrrOzJcrDx9RrIv1Q8Er8F2WPIk0vLV018b3wAD6eppr7 /PZjYijf3Ym0pyr0aPSH7kEFL/1LzVxp7CKr6pxN+6QlYXFmM2IRBJzVjBJK1zTPHZR/ 2PqEQHA28pwO7k7PZBORN9DQUejjx9i3czFQQi1sUCJ1kaxKto3Xmt9ChIm9ULDsD+9P YpLXqQUChNdKwcFTizGvrL2pyLqRZPxYsTn+N4Qc2onX2kVjG1cGOgykTg7K3H6HZpOJ 0bkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLsOl8W3JRcaHGWBMroQ3pBAsoZFT2qqJtx88hNnyVXyqaWygGP WWtbmzos4Muc8fwffbYTwfGpXMG60zJlYAqEIDR5nA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5ekTcofCAYM07vl9jfXxY2p5YWX3uUYuzSDmTw6d9B250OV831nHByEspvNk2V+46vzoEnQvpM8LELfqlZqrEo= X-Received: by 2002:a62:4e88:: with SMTP id c130-v6mr2386576pfb.141.1542209474956; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:31:14 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181113183242.GA26771@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20181114173640.59082bce4db740b30446d368@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20181114173640.59082bce4db740b30446d368@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 07:31:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: copyright attribution clarifications To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: dd47127a-fe83-4ad8-9fa3-f9f6d013db46 X-Archives-Hash: 9f7e521f1bf5d8ff08d7c3ff04cc4e55 On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 6:36 AM Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > What's the main problem of most FOSS including Gentoo? Lack of > human power. And here you propose to neglect contributions if they > want a proper and legal and allowed by GPL attribution. Where is anybody talking about "attribution?" This is about copyright notice, which is NOT about crediting anybody with anything or giving attribution. It is about communicating the fact that code is copyrighted, so that people can't claim that they didn't know when the Foundation wants to sue them. I'm sure they're about to start doing that anytime... Also, this doesn't seem to have been a problem in the past, and yet our policy was far less free then. > A few extra lines in the header doesn't as much as > inability to import GPL ebuilds to the tree due to our > questionable copyright line policy. What is it that we want to import but can't today? > > > But, if you had to have multiple lines, then just wrap the existing > > notice. Don't turn it into some kind of revision history. > > That's what most FOSS software does. I see no reason why we should > be different. Do you have a citation for this? I'm not aware of many FOSS projects that use copyright notices as a revision history, let alone "most." > IMO the best solution will be to recommend "Gentoo Authors" > attribution, but to allow additional copyright lines including the > case where "Gentoo Authors" is one of such lines. IMO doing this will just cause everybody and their uncle to insist on putting their names in various places. We've done just fine for going on 20 years not allowing any notice other than "Copyright xxx Gentoo Foundation." Now we open things up a tiny bit and suddenly everybody and their uncle is saying that their employers won't let them contribute code unless they stick their company name in there. What have they been doing for the last decade? -- Rich