From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDF9A1381F1 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 05:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78F49E0BD2; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 05:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f194.google.com (mail-qk0-f194.google.com [209.85.220.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFA21E0BCF for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 05:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f194.google.com with SMTP id x67so342151qke.1 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:59:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=Nrw/foR8hAZyKeerAzqUYfTC3+M8+aoKiutyX6b6DLU=; b=FLUSFVWmZ79IM7oCxQDj/Xfn4j9owDdeYjBWuqGSyrN3kAEVpFMyNNI7DD7+Vf9zgD gpIj2+xfnogsJGinqG5ePlmWRz0g72HFRRKD6NiuGOSt4/7A2aSmrTIGkV84bzanKDTP x62VEzRG3WMtnPwqYEwaIGNpbhugqXDspLUvbk4tT5DfFp7MX62HhCvQEjgbn1Yhfru9 D70v+D5sWrJGcZLxWUbXX1uw4Nj3K7bW3E+EUnuIG1B4VmG7tmv2PXKVK0HLWqzl2xu9 lmJx04BwBARue0KBFFa+fhP3l516pkRBbO2FrGLk02H+6I1mF3Sa4SVlmoTxtaRZgiGc ooVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Nrw/foR8hAZyKeerAzqUYfTC3+M8+aoKiutyX6b6DLU=; b=HK7mXmzerxihVN/9HzyvkFDaIJpCYwYI2sQMdWDhvsFZKEZ2D4fLi3SsbUfrynsfiL BsnHZp0tHYIRwQmy0pN+BfMVVX9S71LKdJq5+wLh2yERDA5AnnE3TLJhftKyEfQO5KzY 2vbYqcFkoJn+d4obNdCDqNeq10mJWD9xQz/JOxD6512lUXSLoWGjDGSEu9VZvBdEQu4C 2WFfPPYutiWiVwtjB3p6JcOfxe7AO9Ga0N2lJHKo1fY45VBeSMJMujISCKDn2clBEjpT nI2eFaUVVOHf29qvxXCmN+Vp9OZipV63UvKjOoNdswjSm5frQNilzaneaMNcRPgZW+px wkvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuuMhVuYd6Vki4iPRqioIwkY61LtGUR7/2bAjpGF3mOofP9Kk5ZCDH20I1nKJ3RCmIuYXyDoXEu2Yl2Pg== X-Received: by 10.55.155.140 with SMTP id d134mr33961829qke.145.1470722376893; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 22:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.40.36 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 22:59:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160809173255.0ddfa090@katipo2.lan> References: <2e11e445-c25b-b7f2-def1-99aed92308b6@gentoo.org> <20160804162443.GA7048@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160804231224.7b7462168f1d23e88fe4135c@gentoo.org> <20160804222234.GA8357@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160805022658.GA15727@linux1> <20160805142859.GA19008@linux1> <20160805153658.GA11058@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <52993bd4-afc9-197e-acda-96db413e6608@gentoo.org> <20160809173255.0ddfa090@katipo2.lan> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 01:59:35 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dKamJC0vHyZtwHcpuBMlEjABH0A Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-08-14 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 4ee234a0-faf0-4f49-b929-a9eca800659f X-Archives-Hash: 616b80abe7512ba6e033de046257a7d3 On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: > > 2. Every time a package is installed, or attempted to be installed, the > exit of that installation is qualified in one of a number of ways: > > - installed OK without tests While I think your proposal is a great one, I think this is actually the biggest limitation. A lot of our packages (most?) don't actually have tests that can be run on every build (most don't have tests, some have tests that take forever to run or can't be used on a clean install). While runtime testing doesn't HAVE to be extensive, we do want somebody to at least take a glance at it. If everything you're proposing is just on top of what we're already doing, then we have the issue that people aren't keeping up with the current workload, and even if that report is ultra-nice it is actually one more step than we have today. The workload would only go down if a machine could look at the report and stabilize things without input at least some of the time. -- Rich