From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FE711382C5 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 12:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 25D46E09BE; Thu, 3 May 2018 12:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-f179.google.com (mail-pf0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D92B2E0894 for ; Thu, 3 May 2018 12:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p12so14611052pff.13 for ; Thu, 03 May 2018 05:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CEveKHowZT79nslikQczLDt4JK6snOb2/p6HixwwkPM=; b=mA8sIMtcJXjGtvfW3pE53lN5NZy+DMSw1/+FNvzft5Uv2kEPbcPupStqcTNevxDkHi WIxmn9mTbE9z2LzPM9V97mZJb6vHxrPnx0auj6f4KSkNI6nM40EFQdfv75u5aYA5xfsR cZkfkgCbXr7GTb5WIuOEjs/3ggMW9XM13aGsPdWFIN5qPQrnsaPS2mg45DqBuvA/e8/Q 6V9ONMhYP9/eyNRC5/4DtyD/jJZWPHU2aVl6aIT3w6cM/Zky/v6Cnn0sjjH4tDPzOHch TbLKKlemxZXF2UfuBVI8yuuyHEv031OcfKfWAvO+6Fjy3f88NUzn2w0mRzGmtVu1qaDl DdiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDBj67u239xHScicNZjBPKYOayL3+DDDLJb+HtSLdEbqWhyO6uA 6K2wuqziIrITW/UQLYvrqni6MPlFw1IMa5LVIR19TQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqfDkEAtXLLeSWqMlqwfAlcEoCT7htgGKTn0OJ1p5RkZKRpE/7MRUsmzlmSNaEQWUKeFCNsZO4yjklV5lTM6Dk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b286:: with SMTP id u6-v6mr24027123plr.68.1525351444230; Thu, 03 May 2018 05:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180502201115.22894110@sf> <8ea929a5-88ca-ed26-40eb-69026d0a97ad@gentoo.org> <88d7b4ab-2f12-055d-13cb-94786833b3da@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 12:43:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2018-05-13 To: gentoo-project Cc: =?UTF-8?B?UGF3ZcWCIEhhamRhbiwgSnIu?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 7a22651b-f936-489b-90ca-38bdcd0369be X-Archives-Hash: 5701209bb62b2c2573f02fecbf96d5f5 On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 7:43 AM Raymond Jennings wrote: > On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:30 AM, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > On 05/02/2018 11:52 PM, Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr. wrote: > >> On 02/05/2018 23:11, Raymond Jennings wrote: > >>> My goal is to highlight any possible lack of needed resources in this area. > >>> > >>> I, as a user, have noticed very slow response times on dealing with > >>> games bugs, and I was curious if added attention would highlight any > >>> deficiencies. > >>> > >>> Also, I was curious if I was the only user having trouble in this area. > >>> > >>> I deduced that the audit I mentioned would shed light on the situation. > >> Just got a thought: is this type of thing for a Council meeting agenda= , > >> or just something we (you?) could do on the mailing list? > > > > I don't see any specific action requested from council, one action the > > council could do in theory is of course mandate a mass-treecleaning or > > removal of keywords of the unmaintained packages, but I doubt that is > > something the OP wants. > More like I'm curious how aware the council is of manpower/progress statistics. > Does the council have the information it needs to monitor the health > of the project as a whole? And what would be done with this information? I'm sure the games metrics would be dismal, as would be the metrics for many categories. I suspect you already believe this as well, as do most of the Council members. So, what is the point of this exercise? It isn't like you need some kind of special access to analyze our bugs/commits. Everything is open. If somebody wants to post the metrics they should feel free to do so. Do we need the Council to vote on a resolution "encouraging members of the community to post metrics for projects they are interested in, including games, or create tools to automate this?" The problem isn't measuring activity within categories. The problem is doing anything about it. Also, I'd again like to point out that games !=3D packages maintained by games@g.o, since it seems like we spent an inordinate amount of time trying to break this connection in previous years. You don't need permission from the games alias to maintain a game, just as you don't need permission from the python alias to maintain a package that uses python, or permission from the openrc alias to install an init.d script for a package. So, if somebody is interested in metrics on games I wouldn't measure it based on packages/bugs assigned to games@g.o, unless you're interested very specifically in things like the games eclass and so on. --=20 Rich