From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06184138A1A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34B54E097E; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D8FFE085A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pabrd3 with SMTP id rd3so5922104pab.1 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 04:10:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=pBmMiEr8oSA5uk12MYbdZ8KoLXuHTM42mUY/QTBHdCc=; b=VTIOaadagdCl8uZijT0DxCMc49h6Z/+eZW3I6gWkawcctpO/PEhrmm3fVHlKfwpWIp WjtkO5CmB22l+bi1X+D7ib6sP3NL4BTd1YJgab7WqNfawZkEP+CTokrLXF6ZGogwtCK1 Ym2TWDuBsMdVdEl4ehIVDnDPTQXB2dzdJ8h+5r7WSAZYPaXKkm0ZQobvBreSkk/NqDzb F+ANw7BZF/PJIAgwXrEOS5w9n+hMEZoDrvOROpCOaQqaROUgFilnu78H6ffGvP9iDDXi b1f4/ACr7pmp7DR0mDEUQcdFWspq7s7pdtkyMjOSXO4sjIeXbcx9UYXdjSM6HU4pOuaW 3Tig== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.233.74 with SMTP id tu10mr48496430pac.135.1424175053820; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 04:10:53 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.85.39 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 04:10:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201502142148.30540.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20150215070454.12e20dda@pomiot.lan> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 07:10:53 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NROsIaZyJn0nveqc1BQPhPvKq6M Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 22b336c7-6687-4b5c-9b09-673846bcad12 X-Archives-Hash: 8caa6442366a8892bb0644331f13520d On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > If I could afford to spend the more than just volunteer time on Infra, > yes, I'd love to have few full 40 hour weeks to put into cleaning up our > cfengine and puppet to where it's significantly easier to manage. The one thing I was trying to avoid doing was giving an impression that the infra team isn't busy doing work that helps everybody around here. You summarize the problem well here. You're too busy due to a labor shortage to do the sorts of things that would help reduce the labor shortage. I don't mean to trivialize the problem, either. Gentoo has a lot of donated infrastructure, and a decent amount of cash when you're talking about replacing hard drives and such. The problem is that we really don't have the kind of money it would take to take on even a single employee. Apologies if my email came across as kicking you guys when you were down. It was really more about trying to point out that we have a problem. -- Rich