From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9071381F3 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC0E3E0A9D; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F1C0E0A97 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id pa12so4022843veb.39 for ; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VGhPcvqMJ5exE9dmmopmJSjztzepPPOjplqlfdSihVs=; b=tOk4lnpyJWw5RorrvFL2TAxPt1hgxZPxJbdAE+uh7R22UsUTodkgbNqBKrMmEi0RqW ssUOWJxTb4BvQmGGi9kOflyVVfmjNKhFeRQDTcFscLQKP5b4/FsdA5BI6z9toZrX9FFz UGiFlWTvJmqEiuMQx43PAnFEnspHVmJg3O8dcbXMwOrRyc0dinEtld09YKW6Zp9rILIO 76GI/o3ftqWwasqQwUR0P1KXYabLHvukMREhv5mZ/KTphaXd5rDxVsiZx/+LMoVpnX46 vcJ/IxIPFhUwO2jwbEpGn/0I2dMf7uWNzV3zFnsTa0JfeEeJaR4sCIWRSt4nNv6Skmvz wj/g== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.248.166 with SMTP id yn6mr4867506vdc.41.1372700379279; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.163.71 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51D1BB9F.9060600@gentoo.org> References: <51BF597B.6060600@gentoo.org> <51CF1759.10903@gentoo.org> <51CF4529.7010307@gentoo.org> <51D011C1.2040606@gentoo.org> <20130630185215.GA968@linux1> <1372625765.17485.18.camel@big_daddy.dol-sen.ca> <20130701005911.GA1936@linux1> <51D14CC1.9080500@gentoo.org> <51D1650F.5070305@gentoo.org> <51D1BB9F.9060600@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:39:39 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hupawvVztCzRXWHSCtUo4TluWps Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Questions for Candidates (was: Questioning/Interviewing council nominees) From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f5c1cb2a-bbf7-47b2-9521-2fa3705aa6a1 X-Archives-Hash: 51d9cd250aa1f655a4969eee12b5e14c On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > Rich Freeman schrieb: >> As far as I'm concerned, kids who can't get along can go play >> someplace else. If you want your own apache ebuild that can't be >> touched by anybody but you, that's what overlays are for. > > And then the Gentoo portage ebuild loses its maintainer? How is that supp= osed > to make anything better? First, most people aren't going to quit over this. The maintainer doesn't have to do anything but not actively revert changes made by the project teams. If they do quit, somebody else will have to step up and maintain it, or it gets treecleaned (eventually). Short-term it might be a loss. Long-term I think it is the only way we can thrive. You can't make everybody happy. If we make Gentoo the best place for FOSS contributors to be if they don't want to have to cooperate with anybody else, then those are exactly the sorts of applicants we will get. If we make Gentoo a place where it is easy to make big (optional to users and devs alike) changes and initiatives, then people interested in these will come join us. Somebody made an excellent point about making sure that candidate developers were a good cultural fit, but just what kind of culture do we want them to fit into? Not everybody is going to agree on what kind of culture we should have, but not making any choice at all is resulting in WW3 in the trenches and nobody seems to be happy as a result. Sometimes you just have to make a choice. Frankly I've never been one to cater to "do it my way or I'll quit." If doing it their way makes sense that's fine, but if it isn't a win/win then sometimes no deal is the lesser evil. Rich