From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C52138A69 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2015 11:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF5CCE08D6; Sat, 11 Apr 2015 11:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490B9E086B for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2015 11:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iggg4 with SMTP id g4so16319790igg.0 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2015 04:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=jMR/2bY0z27mpYuy6KANWkcU02g7+Sh/BNcxUftb7vM=; b=zctxJzNOLllUomjSTkKQk6LKKBqPrSWDV930cljNGouUaMWUOCsVZX+95f0uvUspAg BoYBZF8zbTHW+UCnu9l+pnGf+ScZkke2zuPN4h3mm+5o6MprIOWvEAMIj+Yvg8t+XVJZ xtQmj6APXmv8GHmhmAs3+OwvyMKp63R/J/XL9f6X3ZGCj2RKRh7rslDxz8gpYGQCvZxh krKDy3sBW+4eW5xyvXLy55Ws267zTW82OsgvgXRCXHdnq8ZE6vOIZsYnyVeZ32mw22ft 7KUFFwlbHmY7LtIPmuNEXt8ebORa1duJu8OQOlIE/dH2bz/YXSMAM75E3ekA6k8Mc43I Jq4A== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.29.40 with SMTP id g8mr4337964igh.41.1428753296777; Sat, 11 Apr 2015 04:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.48.66 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Apr 2015 04:54:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5528F375.30009@gentoo.org> References: <5526CB7F.2050302@gentoo.org> <5527F6D7.7010404@gentoo.org> <5528F375.30009@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 07:54:56 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: P32ihvXidvWJ6Ll9J3u7rps4pVg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Status update of Sunrise project? From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 3dc17147-810b-488f-9b05-938d432a509e X-Archives-Hash: 79282ddeab89fa6deecd6c27b25f2e02 On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 6:12 AM, hasufell wrote: > On 04/11/2015 07:38 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: >> >> Since you said you are the only remaining active developer on Sunrise, >> and the proxy-maintainers team has quite a few more, and we now have >> git pull requests for the main repo, I don't think that reason is >> quite so important anymore. >> >> Of course you are free to continue with Sunrise, but in my opinion the >> first port of call for user contributions should be proxy-maintainers. >> It is better to include useful packages in the main repo, don't you >> agree? >> > > Although you didn't ask me I don't agree, because the statement is too > broad. > > Unless gentoo workflow gets fixed (not just by replacing the VCS)... > importing something into the tree often slows down contribution activity > and also version bumps, unless... you _use_ that package yourself. > > Proxy-maintainers do not solve that problem. Neither does sunrise. Since most of us want the gentoo repository to be as easy to contribute to as possible, I'd be interested in your discrete answers to: 1. What does proxy-maintainers lack in comparison to sunrise exclusively. The immediate question is whether sunrise should be migrated to proxy-maintainers, so this specific comparison is important. 2. What does proxy-maintainers lack in comparison to overlays in general, beyond QA standards? (By QA standards I'm more concerned with our QA goals such as not having security-vulnerable packages in the tree, having consistent depgraphs, having PMS-compliant ebuilds, etc. I'd rather not discuss changes to these, unless there really is something most of us don't think is necessary. How we go about achieving those goals is fair game. ie, one "benefit" of overlays is that you can commit an ebuild that contains only line noise, and I'm not so interested in that. However, maybe another benefit of overlays is that you can go about quality in a different way that makes it easier, ultimately reaching a level of quality comparable to the gentoo repository.) -- Rich