From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CBB13888F for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFF06E080C; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com (mail-io0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61CAAE07FE for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iow1 with SMTP id 1so67866718iow.1 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:24:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=uHhN+Rn6cSy1uQtN1v5wNVKzk8hTbsG5ogPFgTUICZw=; b=FERu2p4bOcKsqof9ogMKF5qIcDKJO9v1V1b56iedhX728BisMfSgcL5gmpdp021PQH Imk2FkPupcfiMAJS0PrSfBLdQDa+XzsWBHeAcUWOPaT9Pu8ZAzLlxGBJqs3t9vzjkDXK o04hsimXRdDh+r760Nqx2jfjRgLjsDRQQl0mXTT3ewUjljc+vRun1P28ngJdzBkF52wY zrLENdN63XuOXJxhL6SBc9Hc86kjrxmxY+GdRcpLqLlSwQqEmbzMdf1fVV2x3olBFIW+ EREhTXOGVXEJo2G9+J03RzjtCwuOkdU2SxgB8uxJ1k7hSjUC2snoKBjvyAjeRvLXziYi 3Ufw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.28.140 with SMTP id c134mr10515384ioc.93.1444328670653; Thu, 08 Oct 2015 11:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.103.70 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:24:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5616855D.8000106@gentoo.org> References: <1904237.nU16iSOlTl@kailua> <20150930204510.7e0bd29f.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20151008154237.c5b94b546444d7204ab91a98@gentoo.org> <56166864.2050204@gentoo.org> <9C591B75-DE0D-4AB6-8A6E-89FA178513BF@gentoo.org> <5616855D.8000106@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 14:24:30 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9R9-1aNk2OKFnTpH359z7WhQxGg Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-10-11 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 0977a74d-3224-48e4-a6fd-a01d82b29cc5 X-Archives-Hash: aa0c12f8bad534f93d28762f55af19fa On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > So perhaps it was unwise for us to get into a situation where either 1) we > violate the Social Contract or 2) we have to surmount a technically > difficult situation. > I don't see how mirroring github on bugzilla violates our social contract, for several reasons: 1. Developers aren't required to post patches to bugzilla before committing them to the tree, so nothing is lost by posting patches on github that might otherwise not be posted anywhere. 2. Developers aren't required to open bugs on bugzilla before fixing bugs. So, nothing is lost by opening pull requests on github that might otherwise not be opened anywhere. 3. Developers aren't required to close bugs on bugzilla even if other people do open them. Sure, that might be "rude" in some sense, and others can of course step in and co-maintain packages and close bugs. But, we don't kick out developers if they ignore bugs. I don't think we'd even treeclean a package with an open critical security bug if the developer fixed the bug in the repo and just left the bug open. Bugzilla is already an optional part of our workflow as far as I can tell. The proposal is to just add another optional tool to the workflow. The proposed integration is just another way to enter data into bugzilla. Devs are free to pretend that no data exists which isn't in the bug, and if somebody contributes a patch the dev is more than welcome to donate their time independently creating and testing the same patch instead of looking in a proprietary tool to see the patch somebody helpfully donated to us already. Nobody is required to use github to contribute to Gentoo, and nothing is really lost that we'd otherwise be certain to have if it goes away, so I don't see the conflict with our social contract. -- Rich