From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3411139085 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF29721C0A9; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x243.google.com (mail-yw0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A33EE21C09F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x243.google.com with SMTP id l75so9455492ywb.3 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:24:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=P6pz8J5vz9pYVZgvPLYU74bTmJX5hYoPhYiEBqfQnQw=; b=RA4rOrtraSX0wjnIbl8yuyanqEE+OG9r+Zj3rRPIOWh8sQ/HX5zrNAVMT/uVNmdXqE 86zZlFNqlx/wpQuIrGv/fKYaS1ehepmP9kwfrGSpIJ9u0AhcF/93NunoxpgZ5xCF0aqR XlEtBZXEthLgmRoUnNMkl/SWKh86d7pFMP+D3chIhyHH8JGi+4rIGh8SySiIUNsGko96 FVspCzsbrNVDOAPIbC+vd4W4RdBOq2A6H2+rQNT/gL+c0GlGCXiPiLfHoB/hO4keoskx 84/Al65YsSK4aUOhU2Y2v8BFRzbMIGSb4/HvbdC8BSMVT+eZgAsP/7mKVeXMMfXdgjHF n/5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=P6pz8J5vz9pYVZgvPLYU74bTmJX5hYoPhYiEBqfQnQw=; b=D4vqI5r1H1IV5/3TnQEKjOjzs7CNuoEbuqbddv/P8TrWg3qQhMMXdB+OBkVvYxOTFP oIz2jdhXYA5yINCyiA85Rm3KAMxl9RrmnU+iB3CK7F3zscGrFURNR/7cXe3Lbw5d+UE6 I30SZZg5/d1Bw1uOJc4mZ9dwWOvMrZdeDQCywiTeoizGW4NrZujrhWXedMsoxeFxvodR huKVKr5SVGnl4JHv0I4SPRgyJRDzQ98O+cEVgdpOUram5GufF/YUnsQX1Sa+Kv07f6Ql U6Q3GjG/VV+8HF2cOugDhoSx/8xoOjURCar9VOCEuhFCzXoLj96pQnJDgtS5EjGwCIpL 2uJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXL/kFMrLGKDFJ0lSPbbDiSDFbju8K2U6cPPElKvNQIEC3xaNVnCK9pacNr26dF+UfvJcyOX+NdY1Yk+PQ== X-Received: by 10.55.101.215 with SMTP id z206mr30183410qkb.35.1484591040583; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:24:00 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.16.132 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:23:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1604622.bZRWYHrp25@pinacolada> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:23:59 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: UGJYQs0S_EqxYdIxM7eWFDs9B00 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Formally have Council oversee the Foundation 2.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 99b85cae-2870-4a7c-bc48-e857bafa0b7e X-Archives-Hash: 2f52aa6dda76e97d11a1aa86ae61593c On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:08 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Monday, January 16, 2017 12:59:12 PM EST Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> I'm not saying that the Gentoo Foundation should retain the legal >> services of SPI. I'm saying that they should turn over their property >> to SPI and cease to exist. At that point we don't need legal >> services, because we legally don't exist. > > SPI does not want property just money. They do not own the projects or > anything of the sort. SPI handles the money, that is it! Uh, you obviously didn't read the link I posted earlier: https://www.debian.org/trademark In particular: As a part of this process, the Debian trademark is a registered United States trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., managed by the Debian project. > There are no legal services of the SPI to retain. They are not a legal body. SPI is certainly a legal body. They're a NY corporation: http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/certificate-of-incorporation/ And I'm not suggesting that they offer "legal services" or that we should retain them. If we used them then legally there would be no "we" to retain them in the first place. -- Rich