From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86466139085 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8E62234085; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x244.google.com (mail-qt0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C5F323407E for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x244.google.com with SMTP id f4so15733565qte.2 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:19:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=hgoIsTZgL0YNH2RNqmPumF2i+dlDSUc4wjl2IO3zjB8=; b=eThCDojf7hz2WXyHhz1ofS81Ns2Rhelu5kWYJGR7Ie/CN4JLuGMGCS7+IO431xpi0n MXhJZzJ2Yt2VIq+8+cgDI50Gg/5EQqmMTsUMJrX9D0H1bYzmEouYOgqY96gfBSVrfb65 9BTk1Kb6rzJmpUY2OZllv8+zGsM4RBec0gZc3lU7yGwdBtmAMxndmaD0awI9oTpYm54f q8IHVgNCY5/sxQu10DQDrrYgCXBtFYMD+UoqwznC6ysYwTYfGA3hyhrQFQ4UyjnMNOZY xu7pOXnVtvQ9vIr/7YvqU96AF4Sfw56FLDpJ+macSYzDKhm2DVKlPbkBhJWuzQUMe86k mu9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hgoIsTZgL0YNH2RNqmPumF2i+dlDSUc4wjl2IO3zjB8=; b=sUp/GXW5NgPGALeSXWWGEB2xnrFnwiacEfC3haSv/buZPjuhNRKFQ75F7QKs1Cisbl E9RiS59nQL6xHXIXxyXF3UyF4ec1j1CrYCUCt0cCjx6gJCqygWWN26EJ7Fzpt6/5/EPZ diB3ohZpic3YUso9Pnsp/XuPyFUNGWUOGL14U6KlVnS7TMj1731vbIpbEOlXIU3A9m/I 3PmOoPbZzts2cmynwMvv9erYFMyj0f+eCzPsuhx07qqYaeEx5WxNwHTZGcMfIu80NETV 0fq1Zve8Y2MvpT9ncCdYyIVREnsU8gh1TjYmugw7qvO6FoXgUtr1fCaS6/5P99Nxv9ro kJFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIuO2mkGKcNEXqgQM1dvzOFBEa/ZtxcgVw2G5gfBcFRRNWwu45hO3lexWQ9xLAMCS8mKFN/xY7tYqZJZw== X-Received: by 10.55.101.215 with SMTP id z206mr30168242qkb.35.1484590790620; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:19:50 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.16.132 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:19:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1604622.bZRWYHrp25@pinacolada> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:19:49 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: XdqGWjwe8OizjbD1KatKThqA6FI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Formally have Council oversee the Foundation 2.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 5b2292f4-827d-45df-bc5b-3d0a10887666 X-Archives-Hash: 11c6a8baf7d9c5521a13aa184b4c5a73 On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:35 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. >> wrote: >>> On Monday, January 16, 2017 11:56:43 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote: >>>> And nobody really has a choice about whether they'll handle lawsuits. >>>> If you own property, then you better have a plan for handling >>>> lawsuits. I suspect that SPI has thought this through a bit more than >>>> we have historically. >>> The SPI is not a legal management entity. You are confusing fiscal with legal. >>> >> Again, I think you're thinking I'm saying I'm not. >> >> I'm not saying that the Gentoo Foundation should retain the legal >> services of SPI. I'm saying that they should turn over their property >> to SPI and cease to exist. At that point we don't need legal >> services, because we legally don't exist. > > > I have been looking at the SPI website, other than managing money and > controlling assets, SPI does not appear to do anything else management > wise. Do you have a link to the SPI website that says it does what you > claim? I don't claim that SPI does anything other than manage money or assets. > >>>> In any case, the point is that if Gentoo moves under SPI then there >>>> would be no "Gentoo" to sue. "Gentoo" would be a trademark of SPI. >>>> Any copyrights on our works that are held centrally would belong to >>>> SPI. Our money would be stored in SPI bank accounts. So, if you want >>>> our stuff, you have to sue SPI. >>> Completely WRONG! >>> >>> "Project Independence >>> SPI does not own, govern or control the associated projects." >>> http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/relationship/ >> They wouldn't own the project. They would own our assets. They >> wouldn't control anything. >> > > They would own the assets but I have found nothing that says Gentoo > can't be sued still or that SPI would provide a defense for Gentoo. The > only case I can think of, if the IRS comes after Gentoo and SPI is > handling the money and paperwork. Then SPI would step in. > How would somebody sue "Gentoo" when Gentoo is just a trademark of SPI? There would be no legal entity called Gentoo to sue. That's the whole point. If somebody wants to sue SPI then that becomes SPI's problem, though obviously as a project we would cooperate with them to minimize this risk. -- Rich