From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE820138334 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA3CCE08A6; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com (mail-pf1-f169.google.com [209.85.210.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97EE2E08A5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id i19so3722146pfd.0 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5lMVeuFwLlrVua8I9fZDc7WE94IUN13NcaTR0poDl7o=; b=Rh1EHrvbFbMjQvNhPjaLr7NLOFEhjJfQI4qmbSSU0Fikcu6sFVPu6Siu1xsqYEupnB l24ijhex2rqJPfcMmh2mZBg7Ont3rKyBfEZ5+qjD91AjHWVLuQ1ty4Qzbsl7waUN1bW4 92uU160X7mET5kWuGTbNWcaokQHSrkl5sQ1n+fDJ6PzBbCvIQT3QW+YFUQBxt8DKgcSg Qb2leF1t1U2ddKQXWQ8Iie0STA6KJs5g8rnD5Fw02j0dwahbeZTsV98N6I2BAwjGvFcM UloKIywvfijb+5inbQiOTcKjY9BeohTXtPbIK2ZEqkI3ojBXu+xy68PpUqY6tzXFLp5D Rcyw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVZBZe2okcyqRnTJrVasdwZpkcCqKj7RkV1Q6vqvz3NOYTxWAXJ vJqYOfI7Lbq3gn8cKpB8D24GQkfWD2JBE36oBrCm9A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxPJ/DzVEr+2s+NqsgZFCkkLcyb2/10WRFOlU2fmiiYKmhNTIkgwR5yPDDJEPX6Xh+jm5qqqwTWxYmEMkVusXM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7103:: with SMTP id a3mr16596667pll.214.1553369790234; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 15:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] How to improve detection of unmaintained packages? To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: c5f918ae-0838-4761-800d-a340f339da68 X-Archives-Hash: 5da8eba6b94751e30b0aec3ffc3a65fa On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 3:22 PM Alec Warner wrote: > > I'm not saying "we should absolutely remove packages that have not been touched in N years" but I am saying "we should review packages that have not been touched in N years". ++ > Have you looked at mgorny's recent removals? its mostly stuff that doesn't build and hasn't been touched in 5 years and *yeah* I want that stuff out of the tree; its a net negative for everyone. Keeping packages in the tree isn't free. Also, ++ I completely support the general intent. I'm just trying to maintain balance as well. A good approach would be to just auto-file a bug as a ping and let the maintainer ack it as a first step. If somebody is getting a lot of pings maybe look at it more closely, and if a ping is ignored then definitely react. Ask maintainers to include in their ack a brief rationale - it need not be extensive/etc, or even carefully scrutinized, but it could give some perspective. "Yes, I'm aware that upstream has v25 and we're on v20, but API was broken in v21 without SONAME change and most of the deps in the repo want v20 as everybody thinks upstream is crazy." As long as we aren't pinging the same packages often that shouldn't be a big deal and will also simplify review. -- Rich