From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465231381F3 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC49621C01C for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCB9E0205 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-bk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id jg15so1616952bkc.40 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 03:19:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Gs07HX6+e4tZnPhMzAZw9vIsk+4+b7WeBbat/02RUvg=; b=FXSKVlEjtOtoHscW3aXrokmzI91OQeNFh6HnDFNADL7AxTeMqdikC3CA8RCJpWSLUa 85uB4oFdK5E7zTvJAAnw2h/mKQ2v5JNI8MvM24ajJpjp2g5JXYfxmsxEZpSu20NW6kcd ZR7WiJixzjSFdGedsYAIJZAEpdFPPJOGBiERhUJivpASLkY3x4nkFBAiSOYa1L/yJv5d 0M/eLqwWcnUeqvWSgIfybiCs/YNuUtfPnGRr6KNJTymi5bvyWBhdNIg535xMlZZH35n3 LOhL6Tm2X+YnRPscKqr7FKfs4pTfKU5Ur5sTZWgStieMmEIbKgisiI38TCC+axHy7M3P usCQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.150.210 with SMTP id z18mr3451026bkv.53.1352459963754; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 03:19:23 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.12.28 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 03:19:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121109051346.GA20124@linux1> References: <20121106212816.GE82762@gentoo.org> <20121108174548.GB3842@linux1> <20121108181557.GP83592@gentoo.org> <20121108185348.GB3931@linux1> <20121108204629.5ae6765d@gentoo.org> <20121109051346.GA20124@linux1> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:19:23 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mG49S-M8Q-CdbhRGxbQLDepsXr0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting: Tuesday 11 November 2012, 19:00 UTC From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: a85a964e-d438-4908-8256-2426a795f451 X-Archives-Hash: 2bdf9fcf34a33c68a392cd74a930bdfb On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:13 AM, William Hubbs wrote: > I'm not trying to make packages install in /usr with this change. >... > All I'm proposing is that on > linux we should remove that divergance and put libraries where upstream > installs them. Ok, you're not proposing that we move stuff to /usr. You're proposing that we stop moving stuff from /usr to / so that they end up in /usr just the same. Whatever. > > Since we can tell we are on linux by looking at the chost/ctarget > variables, and there is not an intention to change anything for *bsd or > any other O/S, I am not sure I follow the need for a profile variable. I think the profile variable is a very good suggestion. This allows us to tune the behavior without hard-coding it, and it allows some kind of testing/migration path. I think that any changes need to be discussed a bit more broadly. I'm actually supportive of the /usr move in general, but for the number of complaints it has gotten I'm a bit surprised to not have seen more on this thread. Maybe nobody reads -project. Whether it is by the general dev community or the council I think making any changes to something like gen_usr_ldscript needs good awareness, testing, and feedback. As has already been pointed out, we need to really be careful about the migration path since you're talking about a potential revdep-rebuild for all kinds of packages. Rich