From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5B8138825 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 12:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F38BDE0869; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 12:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77988E084E for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 12:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w8so382759qac.17 for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 04:33:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gudQgrUTycWY+AljSXtmQp9r4+j4u2LTqM6lAANm2OI=; b=HMvkHKhOGLmKhFfhDRSVRE+MaEAmu9A34CFpg/pz5/u52QcITxbA1nfVYRK5uAgAHa cc8EpYwXvr1kYgYUjsuTHn2oMuY1EIg/C+0hiSzgqu98SSkbkyXz/xrS6z/hocqdLA70 m667qQSpW6l1dIBF3QOzexH48Bf0TskfkswEhy2soKnRYZnglU+Msf8Ra3N8MZzRfnGn G4EgtzY/ZEPQ4W6Q0wBykFdTRbZtCtLXpLvdtsqPa/3kSMHY+HbWOMC0OOVawHSK2D02 JwE9iZPZ+UPaU93f4VBtMvNzdgEPWgyrS6tbpAf8D6mQ2UxT4kzc4942AaUkwvBf2dul Qnbw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.119.195 with SMTP id a3mr12652550qar.19.1415190810690; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 04:33:30 -0800 (PST) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.102.198 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 04:33:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1415184549.15134.9.camel@gentoo.org> References: <1415184102.15134.6.camel@gentoo.org> <5459FF6B.10903@gentoo.org> <1415184549.15134.9.camel@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:33:30 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ELkFrpdB-CbEycz3bvvIUpNjnXI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Re: Call for Council Agenda Items - 11-Nov-2014 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 69ad9a96-5c21-4b4d-b6f1-d0800c6cbaa6 X-Archives-Hash: 8892e5aca1dd709c410a0cdb912193c5 On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El mi=C3=A9, 05-11-2014 a las 11:43 +0100, Alexander Berntsen escribi=C3= =B3: >> On 05/11/14 11:41, Pacho Ramos wrote: >> > I was wondering about making mandatory for Gentoo developers to >> > also be subscribed to gentoo-dev ML >> The only possible outcomes of this is that people either disobey the >> rule, or route all that traffic to its own directory that they >> effectively treat as a rubbish bin. > > I mean: they can still ignore the threads there... but they are on their > own if some important decision is taken there and they missed it because > they send all mails to their trash. > They can ignore the threads on -dev now, and they're still just as on their own if they miss something important. * While it is any developer's choice not to participate on the gentoo-dev a= nd gentoo-project mailing lists, they nevertheless serve as main communication channels. If something has been discussed there, and then action has been t= aken, the council regards ignorance of the discussion not as a good foundation f= or protests against the actions. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20140408-summary.txt I'd have to go back and re-read - I don't think that the Council was specifically asked to make gentoo-dev mandatory. I can put that on the agenda, but my personal opinion is that it is unlikely to result in anything other than re-iterating the statement above, and leaving gentoo-dev non-mandatory, with the existing guidelines for using -dev-announce, etc. My personal opinion is that if devs want to just maintain their packages in peace and follow new policies when they are poked about them, I don't see the harm in it. If devs want to have a big say in what the policies are, then they're going to get their hands dirty. Let me know if you still want this on the agenda. I speak for the council only in the sense that I'm quoting the recent decision.