From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E28D1382C5 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C312AE0961; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf0-x22e.google.com (mail-pf0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79A7EE0955 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id a11so5783722pff.8 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:43:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=YQpgXY8VZW51tFKv44qZqP3ffRkBbHF2lSRQrSAh7Wk=; b=Ej1QEOQhfd4ZLmz+J01oH/R4TFKHQfRktgLDlpNEfVR6epKeEzCCc3G7iAgomq9SGs fzq8NEEVVVdzEceTCK9+4FhBMH7Pa9lt7/0R2ijFXdZlhp+BQx2BobL0FzQ+UEolz5OC 7gQeIFKQ2DiETB55dqj3RX2p5eyLyotJXs6noofe6/hueyrA9maT/aJKhEJd4/otCvsa +Iudf7cH82OC/SMmUYJvluITrrTVvl0cEpoxoUZxADY1INeTvSG5ZRuJespRom2gLrFe tV2XZJQHZ2/APfgy3qTr7uJ81VGyXdOm5n6LBIL7+svME34cM7Vmh3WX2jGQzxOX5keU dYAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YQpgXY8VZW51tFKv44qZqP3ffRkBbHF2lSRQrSAh7Wk=; b=KVpkGMsty4utT1JkWuhPVbDd3b+tFedgRon0j5RO5Gx9wbR2DpQ696EGQ2lRUmMeQO uqfqrfDgxx2ANqF+IBOyMT3ZuTcUCCH5zEqi33fjN25+sM19SRHvZI1hj/5Mmbd6rsl+ U+ZgEk1SfQ1QQzduz7YM2Rb2TEYmJmVr6fFzaC2TlFIjjnq90k2HaQ/1AqSpKkl1kRtY JzRwvXj9qMIyWeGUh1AZyhYU3MNwvrvoRrOIwWc5TIzE1RAh3w3XRS9+VtM1BVUaipJL +QKgn0V0zqXM/OLUCIXCWw09xqfNYXv+/CxDLqewNlpDMUt4xnl10IdskyzWottPUQK+ lslQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HOWZjFcsxGOzQ2huwAslDHUO1dTperNq9KjtNS063ZIwdLVfZz /F8QRFkqCfDrm2suSg9IZ9LlNzmXsnVyeFaJpwfLrQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4+TdCjYECwI/YISztALvbF3jDimejBvykO7XGj8vc5KccFPKcThSevFMBwD05x9Jzvm92OkAzDRQlZDHqGzM4w= X-Received: by 10.101.99.213 with SMTP id n21mr180930pgv.202.1522172610753; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.174.22 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <88d042a2-a68b-ec2b-ee07-a9e7a0fe9223@gentoo.org> <1522138764.2317.11.camel@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:43:30 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SLXn9dFIvROfouuBz1WYmLrwUfw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 244625b8-9d0e-456d-bc34-6db15be48751 X-Archives-Hash: e475eaf19f707de273cc6eac26a7bd9d On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Daniel Robbins wrote: > > Rich, there is so many things wrong with what you just said, I don't know > where to begin. First, I have noticed that you have a tendency of making > insulting comments about the Trustees as well as Foundation members who have > legitimate concerns. Your comment above is insulting to the Trustees. It is > not helpful to be dismissive or insulting. > You do realize that this very topic was brought up in an insulting email written by a Trustee putting down the members of the Council, right? And I've repeatedly said that my intent is not to smear individual Trustees and that I believe that most participating in this discussion right now mean well. I think that the problems here are systemic, and not so much with the individuals, other than that they are human and unpaid volunteers (which is systemic). Heck, I used to be a Trustee and was an officer until not all that long ago. There are MANY of us who have concerns over Gentoo's current state. The problem is that there is disagreement around how to resolve it. > The trustees, as a whole, have complete authority over > the project, and have the ability and legal authority to remove Council > members that they may feel are a threat to the long-term stability of the > project. Only on paper. If they actually tried to exercise this right it would certainly lead to complete chaos. I suspect for the most part everybody would just ignore them, and they'd be forced to try to undertake legal measures to seize control of the Foundation assets assuming they could even afford to do this. In the meantime most of the distro would probably just carry on without them. In the worst case Gentoo would end up changing its name and hosting. I suspect this would only happen after considerable expense by the Foundation to boot everybody out, assuming this even succeeded. But, this is all hypothetical. I doubt any of this would ever happen, because the Trustees have no incentive to basically destroy the Foundation over something like this. At the very least it would be counterproductive. -- Rich