From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F09D1383E0 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1EF4E0848; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com (mail-io0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 294EAE080B for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ioii196 with SMTP id i196so82869700ioi.3 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 05:32:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5I0n8wow64L5CDQLZ/PieejSvct8F8xH7NRfmLHr050=; b=q53K6Xgii06EqTcWAm0pHDIA3cw29MP7c74tzgyDBGH28hhyEKM83pjgilW62mPAkh t5G3LWIwzfhdJrrppibuvXAHrZw6Dh1cUpwl9EZZCFu1IPJ7pnexOUAD8sh/Ke/xcOJ8 HAzUsa9MD/UjqE1V7tAdKAXf1RJktQA4wrt93DjrpC70qEm7YRk+5Zo2A4Lf8Za+MrdC z59Tkv4nphnJxgHP1WeKjBjfwewfaHwI3D/AZ2qdr45fRDZpj1ZveaeBNDkc21rkNrMU 1sPrPRi+Cgdmhw3oOeUlqeftgbmkcqwoGRRTKRBMkJ8IvZHAUb6Sb3W9pSuOyKk+tHpI xpjQ== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.38 with SMTP id n38mr10027945ioe.45.1443702721563; Thu, 01 Oct 2015 05:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.103.70 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 05:32:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1904237.nU16iSOlTl@kailua> References: <1904237.nU16iSOlTl@kailua> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:32:01 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: nw6_VxHmXf3YUV80ssCdGkC9rPA Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-10-11 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Gentoo Council , games@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 5c1ad708-d008-4ae3-9f8d-7068b29b9c5c X-Archives-Hash: 16fc54d2bced9ff51b71d387eb0fb36b On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > the Gentoo Council will meet again on Sunday, October 11 at 19:00 UTC in > #gentoo-council on freenode. > > Please reply to this message with any items you would like us to discuss > or vote on. > So, this has been going around in various circles, and I think it is better to just air stuff out here. There are lots of arguments for and against this. I'm interested in what the general sense is, beyond just those who have been vocal in bringing this up. I'd like the Council to consider: 1. Decide that games should not be owned by a games group, and that in the default configuration users should not have to be in the games group to run games. 2. Games should be installed in /usr and not /usr/games as with most applications 3. Assuming 1&2 are both approved, deprecate games.eclass. Otherwise modify it accordingly. 4. If 1&2 aren't approved, when should the games policy apply? Does it include games bundled in kde/gnome/etc? Do we intend to give more or less deference to maintainers when there is a dispute over whether something is a "game?" I'm not going to ask the Council to define "game." I don't want to get too much further into detail than that (does nethack bones go in /var/lib/nethack, or /var/lib/games/nethack, and what gid is used?). I think that beyond a point it is best left to the games team or maintainers. Honestly, I'm not even 100% convinced that we shouldn't leave the whole thing to the games team, but right now we don't have an active one, and it seems like a lot of people are passionate about it so I'm more inclined to set a policy now than let the games team set a policy and then yell at them for getting it wrong. I'll go ahead and say now that from a personal standpoint I think we should approve 1&2, deprecate the eclass, and #4 is moot. I'm not sure I'll end up voting that way because Gentoo policy is more than personal preference, but I'm thinking that simpler is better here, and it works for everything else that involves moving images on the screen, sound, etc. -- Rich