From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A561381F3 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64BAFE0CF1; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C43CBE0CEB for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hx10so1600379vcb.14 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 06:43:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Uob8WOb8Kua/UY74Wk5t4tEp4aGLzmF4hDGZwmxDawk=; b=JrX19zJstmPMf0mU3uoel5LYjRjyFuSbqhuOqrnFdINkKQWztcSATNBQLu7+UgpApI xFOXFsMqSWvdwKUWukHR3F1w9qyqNBZvxjz5cYKbqA5B/8Xqc6fp7Hmv6FSXxmprtUvO mtFyfo0SbA9/YFmhpoiSPAXTHBxbeGeuU4KlEVBCQv0cLScL/9O1jA4XdXiRBbV59I1X cVv2tAQaBoXNX5Jg90ZiBRYpJeMYonKrrZ55REjvWjkMvCbzzHhokocqNr+AutaUMXmE Nzz+UcVfABHbiuIIIGGHZ2Y3abRkkHbEDclsx/JYLV42aWuFIUSZJlWKvx6lvKo/Npyl 08Xw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.101.129 with SMTP id fg1mr11161815vdb.112.1365342209896; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 06:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.101.225 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 06:43:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201304071537.50458.dilfridge@gentoo.org> References: <20817.55135.354752.397336@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <201304071409.03862.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <201304071537.50458.dilfridge@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 09:43:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: y0BAjg5UGG4ChLkbsvkgf6CuEDo Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2013-04-09 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Archives-Salt: e54160f6-1d50-45a8-a0e5-db303436dbab X-Archives-Hash: eb34bc1be21c5865ca1932be86b1faf3 On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > 2) Recruitment. > "Here, sonny, let me show you our list of EAPI versions. Make sure you > memorize these by heart and dont confuse them. We try to improve them every > now and then, but since people insist on using the old ones anyway, well, we > have to keep them around. Have fun." > That problem, of course, could also be solved (and will eventually be solved > that way if needed) by telling new recruits "Unless you want to contribute to > obscure stuff like toolchain, you don't have to care about the deprecated > EAPIs. 4 and up is fine." Bus factor anyone? We don't teach existing developers the new EAPIs, so why would we teach new developers the old EAPIs? That's what documentation is for - the purpose of recruiting isn't to teach documentation regurgitation. The main purpose of recruiting is to screen out people who lack maturity/care/etc. A developer with commit access that doesn't understand EAPI2 doesn't concern me much. A developer with commit access that understands all the EAPIs perfectly and loves to do tree-wide scripted commits without notice or formal testing every other Tuesday concerns me a great deal, even if they haven't broken anything yet. The problem isn't ignorance, but innocence. We're all ignorant at some level, but some at least understand this and act accordingly. Rich