From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB0A59CAF for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 22:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE71221C00A; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 22:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BE3C21C001 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 22:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ui10so54904476igc.1 for ; Sun, 03 Apr 2016 15:55:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to; bh=zMy0AOqpO++TfRQvjUpJY8pjYHuPOrG5cioeFnHeMPg=; b=Cz9cWD2J9PDjLsshZXzmReJqqDldQszg0u+xVCjBEoF4fxBzClGrusv+dA/wq57qv9 rQtdzQJE62ZlWbuQo/HvWogClblT133hXN1pEYet9cnp4BJ7A8HPX2dHmINQ1PhCXcqm VahwFxVZQ0kuSn9qaUBdvhQKVPIDTnmCEP2y5X+NIzj6iseUsqgvdkXptcXwQcbe/huh a4Lp0UA+PIkdP7KvfKa7gCeL7vo/z6rN7nv5LM7P34Gwo+oaIUW3EHjqHlGrSMIeNAqz VrfC4/h7kSyeO2dRLXVSD77PUW4DRDokPU3nQjMoCpqtZxJPMAVP0pq7NshQxyaKRPIt n9ew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=zMy0AOqpO++TfRQvjUpJY8pjYHuPOrG5cioeFnHeMPg=; b=PvttdEX/soeyLyIKTdakdGlT2GEwbl3ePeGQ1g79Dqpf+JoZF6ooj/8QfpNJZrXqXw s2r3LiA344fhiKJT6D8M+wfCpoyu4cum5QxNJclhlbNQeIW52NUi45k9rYYTG0mCoxVK 4PPVieHKOK9c2Hp4Kc9qkcFPljbtLQvA++LuYPHbdIMR+NkaMx/yHXuhE+RDTpvS6fuc wO5XgqJqcW+ak2kG5pMCggII0svOIaOzqyHKHLJ+o1H/b3djUZGZ8bJE3R7Xhy+p59ec E/u9us09AYzXjs92MWH5XoHV/zCcwiF2Zb5cMgHO8N5fs5wkJA6EYgcR/rWa+iyUuoc0 mTEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJFvohuWpD+S2UsRq2Jm57kvExCk2Eds03Sfw8ubybHv9lBVjOitBps3qX+W/st0/edRE8mnJy5W2k33Q== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.137.33 with SMTP id l33mr13458879iod.27.1459724144523; Sun, 03 Apr 2016 15:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.225.232 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:55:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22273.32213.132692.773143@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <22264.15335.14348.781616@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <22273.23505.485029.889112@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <22273.32213.132692.773143@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 18:55:44 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JnJHjPWu7LpEjjLtF-PLidAAgaU Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2016-04-10 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 0976dbe0-6bd4-4be0-8b2b-1d933aa4c27c X-Archives-Hash: cad6adc7dfebb69d1a195ae0fb10f682 On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2016, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> What project (if any) is officially responsible for the creation or >> non-creation of Changelogs in the rsync mirrors? Do they have an >> opinion on this matter? Would they prefer that the Council make a >> decision? > >> I bring this up because this seems like the sort of thing the >> Council typically doesn't interfere with. > > This concerns the Portage tree as a whole, as it is seen by a large > fraction of users. Therefore I think it is a global issue, which is > genuine council territory. Also the council has discussed this topic > previously, most recently in the 20141014 and 20151108 meetings. > > From the 20141014 meeting summary: > > "do we need to continue to create new ChangeLog entries once we're > operating in git?" > No: blueness, creffett (proxy for ulm), dberkholz, dilfridge, > radhermit, rich0, williamh Sure, but the whole point of our vote was to not create a requirement. Per the previous Council decision there is no requirement for Changelogs to be present, but there is also no prohibition on them being present. I'm not really advocating for changing this. > > Furthermore, quoting robbat2's message from March 2nd: > > | Either way, ~60% are in favour of getting rid of changelogs. > > | IMO this is a BETTER goal than continuing to generate them for > | rsync, and bike-shedding about what the order should be; and it > | provides a huge benefit by reducing the size of rsync by 155MiB. > > To me this sounds more like an open question than as a notice that > infra is going to drop ChangeLogs. If the council thinks that such > a decision is at infra's discretion then presumably we should make > a statement to that effect. That works fine for me, and was basically my intent. > >> Right now I'm personally inclined to vote against any resolution >> requiring anybody to do anything simply because I don't see a >> pressing need to impose a policy on them. I'd encourage anybody who >> wants a repo with different/absent Changelogs to just create one and >> let others sync it as they desire. > > Presumably, this would imply duplicating the rsync mirror system? Sure. It has already been done once with git: https://github.com/gentoo-mirror/gentoo.git I don't see why others couldn't do the same if they wished. In any case, I'm fine with leaving it completely up to infra. I consider Changelogs to be nice to have, and I'm not going to force devs to maintain them. I'm not sure how I could even force a dev to maintain them if I wanted to. At most I could volunteer to maintain them myself, and I don't intend to do that. However, if somebody else wants to maintain them and feels there is a barrier standing in their way I don't have a problem with removing that barrier if it is reasonable to do so. -- Rich