From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7996B139085 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B70EE0C3C; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-x242.google.com (mail-qt0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD1BE0C3B for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-x242.google.com with SMTP id a29so15226345qtb.1 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:56:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=G9HSMhjtcrj7OaeoBWoax3WRPUwhXs9lu/1E1wXkGnQ=; b=AA/O+a0CnV4170L3G9Al7J/fwa9+u36id4yu/LxyZvtUcY7HZKNVJcx1ZKH6MupSXK YPO67+9O+IfF0mpNiVgEua7YRqsYn5glwquK2IQc8M6F6Etbbil+G3SFprgOqcQxpoC1 wV0xjERp16RhN82KL0e/kx7IfclOld5dnWamRFOhJBQTsNLsX3OMyrMdJQHZGhhrB5AQ 8GYkonVyjSHLV67wpSEuxwtf+RW32XC5zIbGPGjTzr9OY6wb9IPjR9tAIHGmHwads8ni sLGOXo2aGSRpuLtb4n5Z9GWsqmXgZitCi/nziBQ6y+PP9fVz4UJzpY8U0vJ1SDPHbGXB mVWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=G9HSMhjtcrj7OaeoBWoax3WRPUwhXs9lu/1E1wXkGnQ=; b=gvf7bKO7wzk1EfyAGC+RYwYl5QMUH9AsBso3ykYLaIYjCDgBAVU/ZzpcVhfwTzwosc Il5yMY+ezVd8FhVXQ66I82VksJvH7FsfHZYKOb/zZOXiuZqkOf47VDt/qLHh+OWWF1hE Woz3f3FdeTkowaLdG7TEfYYxSDx+XBVgc2RCy4MgkEIoBqGdRY/AqUdw9e6YMs7KWZ+V eY++FpeRhCW1OyH7q7XSaYM3oT2xjzqpLyGwIfmbe3QhRyY1z9wgRGGwooHG14UHDhAs eVezB2dBnwIPqtJVFSBLU6zvPI19Lu1o/QLd3Gj5aHsn8i/ZEbQPSfBOYmIneOV7XKvn G+mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLQBH9/yEv30Uf1QzC2bNsKtk3aZJMlctdNWxs9UPaXph0RY1gk2iRJmGho29k0QNAJiFev1U9z0Pq5ig== X-Received: by 10.237.55.196 with SMTP id j62mr26902181qtb.36.1484585804202; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:56:44 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.16.132 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:56:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1604622.bZRWYHrp25@pinacolada> From: Rich Freeman Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:56:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Yc7EZTeMXegxhjTJ7bpCAGOTTPk Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Formally have Council oversee the Foundation 2.0 To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 5b88dbbd-30af-4203-b231-728d679c5942 X-Archives-Hash: 84219113536b1c0813817e88a66ee968 On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:31 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Monday, January 16, 2017 10:06:09 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> > The SPI provides legal assistance, it does not take over all legal matters >> > and also uses the SFLC. Gentoo may still need its own legal >> > representation. Their legal assistance is also at their discretion, >> > unlike other services. >> If we moved to SPI we would dissolve the Foundation. There would be >> no "Gentoo" to seek legal representation. > > Just because you go to the SPI does not mean Gentoo does not exist. If you get > rid of the Foundation that is another matter. Some legal entity still has to > own that stuff. That would be the SPI. For an example, see: https://www.debian.org/trademark The whole idea of using an umbrella org is to let them own all the property, and manage it. There would be no point to keeping the Gentoo Foundation around if we went along this route, since it provides no additional benefit, and it would require all the overhead that it requires today. > > The SPI does not simply handle any law suits! They are NOT a legal body. They > are financial, accountants, tax attorneys not legal ones. They use the SFLC for > legal purposes. > I don't have a problem with them using SFLC for legal purposes. And nobody really has a choice about whether they'll handle lawsuits. If you own property, then you better have a plan for handling lawsuits. I suspect that SPI has thought this through a bit more than we have historically. In any case, the point is that if Gentoo moves under SPI then there would be no "Gentoo" to sue. "Gentoo" would be a trademark of SPI. Any copyrights on our works that are held centrally would belong to SPI. Our money would be stored in SPI bank accounts. So, if you want our stuff, you have to sue SPI. The whole point of SPI is to free up numerous FOSS projects to be able to do things like spend money and have trademarks without all the overhead of running their own foundations to do these sorts of things. And of course none of us precludes us from working with other umbrella orgs in other jurisdictions if there is some benefit to doing so. I don't suggest doing it simply for the sake of doing it, but it is of course an option. -- Rich