From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C222138334 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13932E0949; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com (mail-pf1-f170.google.com [209.85.210.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7A2FE093E for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id u6so4672256pfh.11 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2019 05:41:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=7v4CptSs265vxR42M0Jmkg5hUzeM+exMGBfyPFd/ZXc=; b=EMsRS1jrsYRPzJfEuy1dMOS+LCdc2Lv8tddGe7/Ux55xz5jUJ4e7ZiWQJsbL9+bfiT 0X2SlPaegWbvNuR83P+IWooT7yXWp22rqEsVkO4luhP3o/7wt6q+Io1k+S6reDMlZ9mI zW3Qhbr874ILg4gF6ozpXGFU6trWvkZhOY0UtBJ703ZO8QN+3GWeDBg6UBUu9L3UkGNN 2VKPrH6Yfc1QXouG8U4a2LZvyP3r2mpq3f965MuSscmR57NhxdIr72fWKXC0E7I9M5Y8 xQilOKb9HV0LLiw+x7LbWKSVwmrxVckfJqdFe4SUVoNX8gytrlCqs1hjhy0NlP/xEVxn 2W7w== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZtlURqIZdw8k80GHCMT+msmKFmWdGlv8UloQ6+rWiM0u0qMOoJ Gz1Bo2P1qqu0QbK6pswW17jHimMtqoDjJMSr83E3oXqn X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IY3DiOHif4BSJAC/rmVY0Exma4UY9hcg5EyiIvkHNUmaLBhFFFLNvlNK17gOL/twgsAS+KWoVLhCmv0o9CW2KI= X-Received: by 2002:a63:2ccd:: with SMTP id s196mr6134099pgs.194.1549114904836; Sat, 02 Feb 2019 05:41:44 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2beb3305-396f-8b10-e2a1-4008d8505fa9@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2019 08:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Appeals of Moderation Decisions To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 1f49ebd4-af12-42cd-9a1d-6f3dd073a50b X-Archives-Hash: bff0442c5d5a9510b1baf5ddf7a8d2da On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 1:34 AM desultory wrote: > > As originally constituted, proctors were to essentially be CoC > enforcement for media no other team was in place (mostly the mailing > lists), expanding their role to be yet another level of appeal in media > where other teams are in place seems to be muddling their purpose somewhat. The chartering of the Proctors basically covers CoC enforcement on all Gentoo communication. The Forum moderators are even specifically mentioned on the Proctors wiki as a means of contacting Proctors. I believe the long-term intent was to unify these various groups to some extent, but this has not yet happened. I think this should also suggest that the appeals process should be the same as for proctors, since these other moderators are basically acting as extensions of proctors even if not formalized. So far the proctors have mainly focused on areas like the lists/bugzilla where productive Gentoo development occur which lack any other moderation. When other moderation teams are already creating a place for productive Gentoo work we haven't gotten as involved yet, such as: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1090810-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-50.html https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1080592-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-25.html https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1049438-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1091348.html I'm not saying that we need some kind of mad rush to consolidate all moderation activity (otherwise I'd be proposing this). I'm just not sure I'd be in a rush to say that there isn't opportunity for improvement either (and the same is certainly true of the mailing lists, as my earlier reply to mgorny illustrates)... -- Rich