From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90072139085 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCACE21C098; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-x244.google.com (mail-yw0-x244.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D27021C094 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw0-x244.google.com with SMTP id v73so3026783ywg.1 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:03:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=XNR28DoHRclN59M8rr2Vluvn2Forf3p7Hbghblx8bec=; b=uS0rZUgzjYQPHSUsOFWAaSYho28y0PEvqEE5ULhmCu8fQwhyxH6+VO2H25SUNwZyo6 M5yKlf+taUBkxOLHAmLzWO4dNdywh3ForOLj1uRA7hPLIqCTG3qw8kkubPbGsG1LuXGJ pCS+e9+Em/9uT6CqxaJLLmDFMkTfgYac72DcNZo+mbdFR4ZWR8wzpM8hk1bWnD0xslQf KRbCdXhtjOkpsNdKQGrzh4SpuXx7VYZuVZoCV9/JLw5uRGZnBPjBR1QZhJFb5zJ0fe2L RmALstAlgwbbOA5ojL+9C/jEIlPFM2N5U331jP0tT8J6pNngLheAbONB6gLbX3fRDZZP m5kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=XNR28DoHRclN59M8rr2Vluvn2Forf3p7Hbghblx8bec=; b=M+qO77bdtERuij0YiWtr7VgtHMgPKW9i9PslaMnspE3W1bKETlRC6Hyo1SM3rihShh Fv+/azRsmOC5SmwJPbuXhIk/CtuqjCwb2pGOQlYiMepRllqkuZP/xqQH64+Ac/WqAsm6 V3++kKz+ywT2Wv3lmp5cDZ6L5qTvVcRWvS52Mwy1pnn4cPCZKv2h1eZ9cBORHTFLPF99 7iu6KGPl9kHlRf4rDGoqFYH+q/9dsoHIqz7xEj71l3ROVqYN7uYKVA8k4SppvsMZP5Dc VI1c4pLV3T2AfRbsw4veN/khfNtQA+rgA/F7Wc793FnRdF+V23K1fNiD5NvKUBTLZg31 rvEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKSn43oZ+TaiufHX7G/Uz0j+5deNAAixrkjYX0ONkHHjbCtl+X3g9+B1bZu7hUpUTlhjzp3yDr/2mqrLg== X-Received: by 10.55.157.17 with SMTP id g17mr40336004qke.122.1484679837507; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:03:57 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.140.16.132 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:03:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20170115195209.70d3a748.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20170117184927.2b0654eb.mgorny@gentoo.org> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:03:56 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PDt5A_6ptQQ4Pfcz4CIb8zwyjl4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] ComRel / disciplinary action reform proposal To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: bbc579d8-43ce-4e90-b0c6-d5e78231b5e3 X-Archives-Hash: 4814cb07a2baf87233e24f60a3c14f0a On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:54 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > This is an area I do care about as it has effected me likely more than anyone. > I am not sure anyone has tried to return for some 8+ years. Or the amount of > attempts I have to return. During every attempt Comrel/Devrel has bee in the > way. A problem they started years ago by getting involved when they need not. > > ... > > I am quite aware. I have been moderated several times. I have seen the harm > that protecting the community via moderation causes. The damage is far worse > than what they seek to prevent in the first place. Hmm, I can't imagine that if you have been moderated several times that it might have some bearing on why you feel that Comrel/Devrel has tended to get in the way of your rejoining... In any case, as has been pointed out you could have appealed these issues and would likely have gotten a final answer one way or the other by now. But then we can't just complain about them forever. > I am not sure anyone around Gentoo has been treated as poorly as I have. Very > few would stick around for the punishment I get on the regular. Indeed, most people who regularly get moderated tend to go away. I'm not sure that is entirely a bad thing. If people are willing to change they can of course stick around, and if abuse is a concern that is why we have appeals. -- Rich