From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B22813888F for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02F68E0857; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f180.google.com (mail-ig0-f180.google.com [209.85.213.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69293E0855 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igbkq10 with SMTP id kq10so55381676igb.0 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=HMttXs5Hs0WaRSrpT7D3CTzxKPAzIPQ2Nc7ErJ+7EKM=; b=UpgsX7VUw/8MzxxrQ0N7Q5fzAzNZbehBx5bWp5+QwkrtBNlMQx4l6Jp1sVkZ4RDSN7 2bYtzqe2nMO3gw4w+6jq/iJ4tkVpKQmnr4Bxuxtx1w7lPdOWmiZXv1oSF/d6IpdjLKJq 7LNrpPJ72Diare02Susy1ZfhdLUr3erxEISQVcyIGUeqnttdmtM62p9x3TFWWpGVYX+3 fTKdmVa7y/u3ySjlDNyNDDCb85zvzHXuYvwGYpysJi6GcArMaswLXwZPP8HgyOW7xVfe INTD+dWJwHb6+p4ulfHoqx0quRLejx2QjIQ2Nfvz/it0rn5LSIc//RxapCROctWx0nhz o/Iw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.29.101 with SMTP id j5mr5385187igh.70.1444513317543; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.79.103.70 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:41:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151010195901.00e5359f@googlemail.com> References: <1904237.nU16iSOlTl@kailua> <20150930204510.7e0bd29f.mgorny@gentoo.org> <20151008154237.c5b94b546444d7204ab91a98@gentoo.org> <56166864.2050204@gentoo.org> <9C591B75-DE0D-4AB6-8A6E-89FA178513BF@gentoo.org> <5616855D.8000106@gentoo.org> <20151009042132.662d0925458f8804abcee442@gentoo.org> <56179764.7070902@gentoo.org> <56179BE3.1000708@gentoo.org> <56179DE5.40305@gentoo.org> <5617A264.1010900@gentoo.org> <5617A397.3020400@gentoo.org> <5617AB77.4050302@gentoo.org> <5617AFD3.2040503@gentoo.org> <20151010215652.2a17b74b37de566dadab7b4f@gentoo.org> <20151010195901.00e5359f@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:41:57 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3_HU-DXotnEj359miAMKUDLL25w Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-10-11 From: Rich Freeman To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: 5bad5aff-dffd-440d-9795-6f376d05074b X-Archives-Hash: a8c6e03db580b7b12f160c7abd303569 On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:56:52 +0300 > Andrew Savchenko wrote: >> 1) GitHub _was already blocked_ in several countries [1]. We are an >> international community, thus we can't rely on such resource. > > And no doubt Gentoo will be blocked at some point, if it becomes > popular enough and continues to include software which upsets people. Of course, the whole point of the social contract is that if Gentoo is ever "blocked" or taken over by a hostile interest, etc, then everything of value that makes us what we are is already FOSS. Ideally we should get to a state where all of infra (minus things like credentials or personal info) is documented and trivial for anybody to copy. That would both make it easier for others to contribute and make it easy to roll your own Gentoo should that be useful. We haven't really pushed for a copyright attribution solution, but even there we were looking at something like the FSFe FLA which is designed to prevent being held hostage by a hostile owner (maybe the trustees lose their minds or somebody sues Gentoo, prevails, and is awarded all our copyrights). In any case, I think the arguments have been hashed out. FWIW I fully support the social contract and the importance of building on FOSS. At the same time, we should be pragmatic when somebody comes along with a largely-free solution and nobody else is stepping up with a completely-free alternative. I suspect we'll manage to find a reasonable compromise. -- Rich