From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 592DF1396D0 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 563982BC01A; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-it0-x231.google.com (mail-it0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AD052BC007 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-it0-x231.google.com with SMTP id y138so11583307itc.5 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 05:39:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=9AHIBsSRzat6XNUawlqjZIk8L4erlyV8c1yd70aTs3c=; b=Bgz0Oje0intBBKHYVPR3R/ajEwEiRgtpWjaGYzSlge5EVMZEOLN2bJpkhSfqikoO45 kIvyPJLrO/6GXIaiWLmJBLNRLnI0f1+t/paXzE0oJlSy+uljwXQ77uXHBw2GzfYPybN3 pF47j/GcQ+xZ8VjsMdG2+YGCtNu0WLsk71pmQdd3uqZ2oPJ13FETZ2IYpgGwcYsnH+XH UuIKK/Vr7KGyjGzhNgS47TPgsW8WS5NM9LOSSBy8BSPZveyRs1iJZzvk+YiiMc9cWdr6 GqPbEUZsR7QdziaDQiLluDsKoasKn5//RT9gQQiRod4QwSFj/88Wi11D9CBkr84Fp7eK /dwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9AHIBsSRzat6XNUawlqjZIk8L4erlyV8c1yd70aTs3c=; b=unAZIt6CQr00JYtkDvTXOqhF71+2PhU32FKqGXOoYZ/RVT5bPKqihqwuJAfd6AmbyX E7fZJomBmbMFDO0l7l3pGhriMxJhYpSOWCxyaGSpOAPSm31fYXbVAc0MVe1wPnZ0Tm7Y d4Cby7Q2WW95GmY2PBKywmPIDfxAEY6h4Kwk5ohP+JQ8z06wxcX2gjvteSHJoMB8nDiQ l3fXOBazkWuKD3gbT2Z8DK9gBvQZTk5ITkh2BI5tY6i/zGL8Vt5wP85I/YXf/Z+qZrII 1MRutE3mhLi92ZYcIsjkok8UmLPR9I3PK7fEUx2QTJq5hpR43GzIjdZJry5wo5qdcAmS PPYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUu7GFQHo2Uqu3HIhWZhNOpDMbewU7yZLOH5fJhheB55s4vrP93 A1fLvN//UYj8kIE1GLA3uo3LQVJmzyA/VbtvOyc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QC43RAFSJ0JPXY9QnJPtryrHFM8N9XP7d9AoXKiUecftV29RRSK0VMNoVDLj2m33k3eiGu99DfGBh8QMarQ62I= X-Received: by 10.36.120.206 with SMTP id p197mr23032774itc.54.1507034350136; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 05:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freemanrich@gmail.com Received: by 10.107.30.84 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 05:39:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22995.28386.472489.467095@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> References: <2032312.gCecMtFXeN@porto> <22994.37543.695295.140019@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <22995.28386.472489.467095@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:39:09 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yvCodRjDE9M250M9wy6UlfqqHKY Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Call for agenda items, council meeting 8/October/2017 18:00 UTC To: Ulrich Mueller Cc: Kristian Fiskerstrand , gentoo-project , Gentoo Council Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: c3c811e3-1f05-4019-9a2d-5ff48cbf16bc X-Archives-Hash: 827bb25b4176f578c110f99d83a70497 On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > In addition, Portage doesn't support empty groups since 2011. That for > itself is not an argument to change PMS, but it shows that there is no > need for the construct. > If the behavior of portage doesn't match the specification in PMS that is reason enough to change one or the other. The purpose of PMS is to document how package managers are supposed to behave. You could: 1. Change portage to behave as PMS specifies. 2. Change PMS to specify portage's behavior. 3. Change PMS to make the behavior explicitly undefined. Sure, this might be a lower-priority bug but this seems like a valid one. What is the point in having a specification if we don't actually specify what we're doing? -- Rich