From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467681392E8 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 01:59:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65E79E0ABF; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 01:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot1-f47.google.com (mail-ot1-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56AB1E0ABF for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2021 01:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id w15-20020a056830144fb02904af2a0d96f3so751975otp.6 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 18:59:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gmeFGtqGg8eMI6+HHVJIbFew1UkzixumeRcbM9fOfGE=; b=RHIH48Cu38t8rpR1gBAzdgV/em8Bhbn/RGgxE3LExsU1MhACXKsSeheBRAQUGFfj4E MPcn8z7zQriwaa18McWc3DqHj7jSk/IwBkcR/jKB/PY0Og18k1sEtBMvFNq/04CXxHCn s2GgG9QMyhfzFqVryhA8BEankjoXlGTHLm6HxHA0yl5exl9ahJGXyCyXT3YFa6beOLGz wOtoiRmn0dzNXqwGqT3iEcHjoEzwPm+xxSMEn9wrEqW8ZOdHXtkx4hvYy75wT0yH60fG gseGYuH0EVSYhDVoDj1ikmdHBUhbuFbBRKIiYNWqXU2bSPiDCghrAEQhrLyOpeYqgnDO DAWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xhDnJVXmHlekbSf21cNf2jGpDJi9lSxkkzrJOqWvSvpX4RjvG i/G2HTN5jiB4/P61IpU0fbYHi1J1AhvQEq09B3tthbNjMI8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz/xH7JmFkEzNaYccePAqePUJD3T5aFDZBpk99DDVSuCom0/wHMisXwZb4oSvkmjJozQeSJ4RiuJ0pdydObXcc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:67c1:: with SMTP id c1mr16702675otn.51.1625623186136; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 21:59:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting 2021-07-11 - call for agenda items To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: cd91798b-27ec-4c6a-998c-d7073e3481f1 X-Archives-Hash: 38fa6888e595165c8521e62becb1daf0 On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 5:20 AM Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > The agenda is still open for additional items that the council should > discuss or vote on. For agenda items, please respond to this message > on the gentoo-project mailing list. > Short version of request: can action be taken to re-align IRC nicks with Gentoo uids? (Those with common sense should stop reading here.) Longer version: since everything needs discussion, bikeshedding, and actionable resolutions for the council to pass... I'd like the council to vote on one of the following, or some other approach, preferably to get IRC/email/usernames to match once more: * On 2021-08-01 the LDAP user database will be queried to compare their IRC nickname to uid/email addresses. If these do not match, then the developer will lose their IRC cloak and all IRC roles on Gentoo channels, and will not be eligible to obtain these again until the IRC nickname matches. * On 2021-08-01 the LDAP user database will be queried to compare their IRC nickname to uid/email addresses. If these do not match, then a process will be initiated to change their Gentoo uid/email to match their newly chosen IRC nickname. * On 2021-08-01 the LDAP user database will be queried to compare their IRC nickname to uid/email addresses. If these do not match, then the retirement process for that developer will commence. Users who are unable to obtain a matching nick should contact to have this addressed with Libera/Infra prior to this date. * The Council recognizes that during the transition to Libera a number of individuals decided to change their IRC nicks and this is causing confusion. The council kindly asks all developers to voluntarily re-align their nicks and Gentoo uids so that it is not necessary to endure further requests asking us to address this problem. * The Council recognizes that during the transition to Libera a number of individuals decided to change their IRC nicks and this is causing confusion as to what Gentoo policy is on this matter. There is no requirement that Gentoo uids and IRC nicks match, and any dev is free to change their IRC nick and register the new one in LDAP. The public Gentoo developer list will be updated to list the IRC username of each developer to help everybody identify who is who, and everybody is encouraged to keep the list handy as it will likely change frequently. Rationale: I do not believe that recruiters would accept a new developer's request to have a uid that doesn't match their nick on IRC. I suspect that recruiters also screen these nicks for acceptability. It doesn't make sense to have these suddenly diverge, but only for a handful of existing developers whose IDs used to match, but not for new devs going forward. The current state is confusing at best. I do not pretend that all of these options are equally pretty to implement from either a people or technical standpoint, and if somebody has a better way to accomplish the goal by all means speak up... Obviously it would be best to just have devs fix this on their own initiative, and I hate that this even has to be brought up ... again. Perhaps devs holding leadership roles can lead the way. Alternatively, if the intent is to just take advantage of the fact that table lookups are cheap, at least for devs who are lacking humanity, then just say so in order that we can stop talking about it... (FWIW, it is getting late, and some items above are intended as genuine humor because not everything around here needs to be grim. Now I'm off to sleep where I can hopefully dream up some more creative IRC nicks...) -- Rich