From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6863158011 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EC8CE0DE9; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pj1-f53.google.com (mail-pj1-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14881E0DE9 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 22:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pj1-f53.google.com with SMTP id a15so4148572pjs.0 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:35:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=psOziTMnUkbUiuPCbwhoiagXleqAUtDg+uY9BkJnvuE=; b=JThusJ37MnEip8Esb2HeeOaEdWeMOEieWr+oXmnYyFslyPG9gwZgKYqGRpgcKQrinZ yqkXL5WzXh/6xigwVsl7nH4BFxpoTdsg1lSB7U8mQCpfi7z9QrYjKnikl+McDIqFCTOL 34MV07PM2qmfCVK/pETnP1vOecUiMeSrOyAFlWI0IITJS9qUtKMwpN2Bc0ab82BMcOwU eIlhLughtgknb9QPnpk9ge/P6krAl/pgrkEEA3YHfoi20GhOhK6f3L4uEzxIzxTUWhEo IcoGY91SPYVlupVAFlfKvAaUaMm2BsJnCOY0ZlmZjsYd+LmJIUBkKVKNYslIg0vlpebx kc4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8WmSFNqcwXXRbOEU/9zx+JJ1nPl6GQUEoNQwfIlE5jftKL8bhZ Fjqv4HrJexYPpYQ9+A+j1URqxxwGntagRXYbB0N55i1p X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sp0N1Y/I49Y95SLr8NJuKHLbZEUTGNAjpJDbI2pDj0XKjULAsl8dXD9Hc0MC9aMlHwR32HFsXlah8Xi9cAXTY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:230c:b0:16c:4c65:18be with SMTP id d12-20020a170903230c00b0016c4c6518bemr10175145plh.138.1657838141637; Thu, 14 Jul 2022 15:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Project discussion list X-BeenThere: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-project@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rich Freeman Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2022 18:35:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] rfc: github's copilot feature To: gentoo-project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 1cabccd6-6ace-4d25-9659-807e8bf2a243 X-Archives-Hash: 69d45ff4ffd8dd2992d8315c5290fc07 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 5:43 PM William Hubbs wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 04:33:43PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > > > > I just found out while I was on vacation about Github's copilot feature. > > > > It looks like the SFC is urging foss developers to ditch github over > this. > I get the sentiment, but I don't see what direct impact it will have. If Gentoo stops using Github all our code will inevitably still be on there and will still end up being used to train copilot. I'm not sure how strong the copyright argument even is. Your own brain is a neural network that has been trained on copyrighted textbooks, lectures, code from every employer you ever worked at, and so on. Human beings don't even have the ability to avoid learning from things they are exposed to; it is a completely involuntary process. In any case, it seems like the general preference has been to move towards something else anyway, so it seems a bit of a moot point. Most already want to move something else, and after we move basically everything we have ever done and will ever do will still end up embedded in the mind of copilot anyway. -- Rich